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COVID No. 1 cause of death for 35-to-54-year-olds in September

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09
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u/1_10v3_Lamp 4d ago

checks age

am 34

breaths sigh of relief

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u/Kazuzu0098 4d ago

Fuck. I turned 35 4 months ago....stupid time.

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u/Narren_C 4d ago

Well you're fucked. Should have stayed 34.

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u/Kazuzu0098 4d ago

How to a quickload? F8 isn't working.

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u/Romantiphiliac 4d ago

Let me know too. If you can figure out how to load earlier saves and uninstall updates, that would be even better.

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u/KarmaChameleon89 4d ago

How about a full factory reset?

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u/Romantiphiliac 4d ago

As long as it doesn't get bricked, I'm down for starting from the beginning.

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u/KarmaChameleon89 4d ago

I think I’d only want to do that at the very end of my life. However I also want the mental health patch done properly, I’d like to experience life without the mire that is my mind

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u/kenlasalle 4d ago

Fortunate, I'm 55 and our No.1 cause of death is sudden, unexpected heart atta

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u/Poopiepants29 4d ago

They do say there are 3 warning signs. The first one is sudden memory loss. The second one is, well I can't remember the second one.

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u/unvaluablespace 4d ago

The third one will blow you away!

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u/OpsimythOfficial 4d ago

Doctors love it!

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u/atomicxblue 4d ago

And there's two more they really don't want you to see!!

We'll tell you what that is at the end of this 55 page slideshow.

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u/WTHisanacronym 4d ago

After a word from our corporate overlords sponsors.

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u/psycho_driver 4d ago

Sometimes they just forget the clickbait title they used at the beginning of the slideshow and you never get the payoff.

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u/HolidayCards 4d ago

Castle Arrruuuugh!

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u/killsforsporks 4d ago

He must've died while carving it...

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u/claytrizzle 4d ago

Perhaps he died while carving it

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u/Lincolns_Hat 3d ago

Perhaps he was dictating?

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u/uncomfortable_yet 4d ago edited 4d ago

Ack-ack-ack-ack-ack you oughta know by now.

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u/IndoorCatSyndrome 4d ago

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

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u/DudeB5353 4d ago

It seems such a waste of time

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u/allargandofurtado 4d ago

, if that’s what it’s all about

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u/Few_Paleontologist75 4d ago

Mama if that's movin' up

Then I'm movin' out

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u/poorwegian 4d ago

Just a regular heart attack is doing this now? It used to only happen when candlejack was mentio

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u/BobcatOU 4d ago

Welp, he’s dead.

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u/Treehaus_user 4d ago

Fun fact women in that age group are more subject to heart attack. Calcium deficiencies and whatnot.

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u/doughnutsforsatan 4d ago

Also fun fact, some women don’t recognize they are having a heart attack because some have had period cramps that hurt more than a heart attack.

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u/brallipop 4d ago

Wait, are some women susceptible to really bad period cramps or is nearly any period capable of being more painful than a heart attack? I've been learning how women's pain and medical problems are often dismissed and displayed, but are heart attacks really so tolerable?

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u/haleysname 4d ago

My mother-in-law died of lung cancer. She saw doctors all the time because she had scleroderma. She gained a lot of weight in her belly. She said she looked pregnant. Months of that with no answers, no concern from the doctors. Until it was far too late.

I googled the distended stomach symptom and saw it was a pretty clear sign of lung cancer. I just, barely even looked and found the answer that doctors missed/ignored.

Anyway, yeah sure women gain weight from menopause but fuck those doctors.

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u/wendyrx37 4d ago

My mom was diagnosed because her pinky & ring fingers went numb & she couldn't extend them. But, she mentioned to me something about smelling burnt peanuts.. & that reminded me of a Stephen King I'd read where someone smelled a strange smell that wasn't there & it was a brain tumor. (don't quote me on that, I barely remember which book so I might have it wrong - I think maybe the dead zone??) Anyhow I told her she needed to go to the Dr... When she went it had already metastasized to her brain. She was just really skinny though she always had been.. But I, on the other hand only ever gain weight in my belly.. & I'll be the same age she was in only 3.5 years.... Crap. One more thing to worry about when I have a panic attack..... Smh.

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u/becksrunrunrun 4d ago

Oh I had no idea that was a symptom of anything at all. Peace be with you. Edited to add, I just visited a friend in hospice today in the final stages of brain cancer. It’s absolutely unreal. Bless all those affected by this.

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u/Redtwooo 4d ago

My MIL died of a heart attack. In retrospect she had spent all day complaining about the symptoms to my wife's sister but neither of them knew the signs of a heart attack.

From https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/heart-attack/warning-signs-of-a-heart-attack/heart-attack-symptoms-in-women

If you have any of these signs, call 911 and get to a hospital right away.

  1. Uncomfortable pressure, squeezing, fullness or pain in the center of your chest. It lasts more than a few minutes, or goes away and comes back.

  2. Pain or discomfort in one or both arms, the back, neck, jaw or stomach.

  3. Shortness of breath with or without chest discomfort.

  4. Other signs such as breaking out in a cold sweat, nausea or lightheadedness.

As with men, women’s most common heart attack symptom is chest pain or discomfort. But women are somewhat more likely than men to experience some of the other common symptoms, particularly shortness of breath, nausea/vomiting and back or jaw pain.

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u/ItIsShrek 4d ago

As someone with acid reflux, slight TMJ pain, and anxiety I have all these symptoms frequently lol. Probably not to the same degree as a heart attack, and more tolerable now that I know what it all is as confirmed by multiple doctors. But every time I read lists like these and think about how I feel throughout the day I always get a bit freaked out.

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u/KarmaChameleon89 4d ago

I had what we now know was a really bad reflux episode. I was clutching my chest right near the old ticker. Now I’m 32, haven’t had the healthiest life style and let’s just say I was ready to see St. Peter and ask him for my complimentary dime bag. Thankfully ekg came back fine and yeah, eating healthier now and off the vape

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u/ezumadrawing 4d ago edited 4d ago

Ya, if I had to go to hospital everytime I experienced one of these symptoms it would be a weekly visit at least lol

At least I'm male so I guess the symptoms are usually more clear?

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u/AsciiFace 4d ago

I have GERD, TMJ, a reconstructed elbow that makes my entire right arm ache, and yeah I'm always paranoid I'll fatally miss it if it happens

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u/pinewind108 4d ago

Gerd and a bad shoulder that radiates pain down my arm and chest = "Welp, I haven't died yet, so I'll probably be okay this time too. Probably."

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u/TalkForeignToMe 4d ago

Me too, hahah. So I'm definitely going to die of a heart attack.

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u/WingardiumJuggalosa 4d ago

One of my biggest fears is not being able to differentiate between heart attack symptoms and my typical, ever changing litany of body problems and pains due to the long term effects of trauma and panic disorder and all that fun shit.

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u/bortmcgort77 4d ago

I agree my panic attacks regularly feel like the symptoms of a heart attack. So multiple times I’ve went to the er thinking it was a heart attack and it was just panic. They just dose me and send me home but I got injured at work and had to drop. They were like you’re not prescribed benzos and tried to fire me until I brought documentation that I was administered Xanax for it. I’m not prescribed but I was given it at the hospital. Then they said why do you need this. I told em that’s none of their business and brought documentation. I work construction.

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u/fromthewombofrevel 4d ago

Same here. I asked my doctor how to tell if the panic attack that woke me with crushing chest pain is actually a heart attack. He said, “Panic attacks don’t kill you. Heart attacks do.” I should change doctors.

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u/Mouse0022 4d ago

Doctors can be pretty awful and dismissive, especially towards women.

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u/Dragonsnake422 4d ago

Women after 50 should get regular heart checkups and Estrogen checkups. Estrogen stops being produced because of menopause. Estrogen is cardio protective which is why you have almost never seen young women get heart attacks.

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u/Woden501 4d ago

Some women have relatively light periods with relatively little discomfort, but some experience rather ridiculous amounts of pain from various sources during theirs to the point of essentially being unable to function normally during the peaks of their period pain. My sister would get such ridiculous amounts of pain that she wouldn't want to go to school. Turns out she's had a somewhat common condition as well as a rarer one that when paired together caused scarring and horrible period pain since she was in her teens, and doctors had been dismissing it as things like gas for over a decade before they finally did an ultrasound and saw all the scar tissue. She had to have a hysterectomy as a result. She's only in her 20's.

I know someone else that had horrible ovarian cysts that played all kinds of havoc with her periods and hormone levels as well. These would every few months leave her basically couch-ridden for a few days.

Hell, my own wife, also in her 20's has been told they're seeing early signs of that common issue my sister had. We have no idea how long she's had it, but she's had nearly debilitatingly painful periods since we started dating over 7 years ago.

Doctors really don't pay proper attention to the pains of their female patients, and all too often the patients have been told for years by inattentive or ignorant family that the pain is normal and to stop whining so much so that they think their pain is just normal.

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u/SmileyMcGee27 4d ago

As someone who suffers debilitating endometriosis, yes a heart attack would likely register as a blip on the pain scale in comparison.

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u/hijusthappytobehere 4d ago

I am out of my depth but my understanding is that women do not always experience the typical symptoms of a heart attack as it is commonly understood. The “watch for these symptoms” advice is really more applicable to men.

A heart attack may not present itself as particularly painful at all, and apparently that is especially true for women. It may feel more like nausea or present as pain in areas other than the chest.

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u/Anna_Lemma 4d ago

My aunt had slight chest pain but a strong pain on the left side of her neck. She had just seen a show about heart attacks in women that showed the same symptoms. She drove herself to the hospital and it was confirmed that she was in the middle of a heart attack. That show saved her life.

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u/Nofnenamgal 4d ago

Not all women have painful periods, but most (84%) have at least mild pain. Many have excruciating and debilitating periods. Studies vary but maybe around 10% have extreme pain with periods.

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u/xTemporaneously 4d ago

My niece had bad period cramps. She was doubled up on the floor and couldn't move.

Birth control pills are used for more than just decreasing the likelihood of an unwanted pregnancy.

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u/dukec 4d ago

The symptoms of heart attack in women are much more likely to be vague symptoms which could be explained by a number of different things. Men are much more likely to get the classic chest pain, left arm numbness sort of stuff, so it’s just easier to realize they’re having a heart attack, and they get to care quicker.

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u/midnightsmith 4d ago

My friend, look up endometriosis, the cramp pain is unreal

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u/donkeyrocket 4d ago

As a comparison, the leading cause of death in this group (varies slightly in different chunks) prior to COVID is cancer, heart disease and unintentional injury.

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u/arbitrageME 4d ago

cancer and heart disease so early? I thought it would be things like vehicular accidents and suicide

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u/donkeyrocket 4d ago

The OP has 35-54 which is a huge age range as far as medical statistics go. So the younger end skews a bit more “unintentional injury” where older is higher cancer of heart disease (with liver disease and a few others at their heels)

The big takeaway is heart disease is a massive problem in the US across the board.

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u/arbitrageME 4d ago

I think it's just jarring because I'm 34, and "my peers" are about to be falling from heart attacks and cancer as opposed to "hey guys watch this" antics

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u/v-porphyria 4d ago

Unintentional injury also includes accidental drug overdoses, so it's not just car accidents, falls and people doing dumbass things.

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u/USA_A-OK 4d ago

It's sobering for sure, but many cancers start showing up in the late 30s and early 40s. My 39 year old wife just went through a full thyroidectomy this year due to Cancer cells being found. That sure reminded me of our mortality!

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u/jonathanrdt 4d ago

Take that: obesity, smoking, and car accidents!!

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u/AnyDisaster9 4d ago

Obesity and smoking were probably leading factors.

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u/KendricksMiniVan 4d ago

Yea I’m very curious about this

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u/Darxe 4d ago

I work in covid icu. I don’t have exact figures but I would say 90% of our patients are obese with 35+ BMI

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u/FartNuggetSalad 4d ago

Yeah same here, there is a direct correlation between obesity and covid deaths.

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u/upsidedownfunnel 4d ago

This is a well known stat if you dig just a little. I wonder why this isn't reported more. Obese people need to be extra cautious.

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u/Efficient_Jaguar699 3d ago

Isn’t the statistic something insane like 70% of Americans fall under obese?

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u/MobPsycho-100 3d ago

That’s the number for overweight, which includes the obese. Obesity rate is 42%.

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u/Ukiah 4d ago

Anecdotally it's also the leading cause of breaking off communication and interaction between friends and family.

Source: I had a series of conversations and arguments with a close friend of 35+ years that I think I could have transcribed and submitted as "The Twilight Zone" scripts.

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u/mustang55 4d ago

The divisiveness of it, along with all the other hot button topics that seem to go hand & hand, are literally going to be one of the reasons my husband and I might separate. Our atopic asthmatic 12 yr old can’t get vaccinated because he’s afraid it might sterilize her. I can’t even.

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u/Trexy 4d ago

Atopic asthmatic adult here: just make sure she's observed for the full 30 minutes after vaccination. I was fine, but it's worth the caution since atopy can cause weird shit.

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u/mustang55 4d ago

Thank you for the heads up!! Noted & appreciated!

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u/iamreeterskeeter 4d ago

Death can also sterilize her. Measles too.

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u/mustang55 4d ago

Oh yeah, I’ve talked to her about it to get her thoughts as we’re very open with them and I think we’re going to go on the DL and then for ice cream!!

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u/Newmie 4d ago

My mom had me secretly vaccinated with Gardisil(sp) when it first came out because my dad thought it would encourage me to have group sex, I was 12. -eyeroll-

Anyways a nurse came around to his job and talked about the vaccine I guess like a year later and he walked that back and asked if she made sure I got it.

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u/mustang55 4d ago

Nice. I think fear of the unknown is actually more frightening than the reality, it certainly is for me in a lot of parenting situations. Thank you for replying with child’s perspective. Be safe!

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u/justprettymuchdone 4d ago

Do it. Protect your kid.

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u/ExistentialPI 4d ago

Honestly, you have the ability to do this now that you’re married, if you divorce and share custody 50/50, then both parents have to agree (maybe depending on the state).

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u/redjellyfish 4d ago

I had a very similar conversation with a gentleman who told me his wife didn’t want him to get vaccinated because it might make him sterile and they wouldn’t be able to have a big family with a lot of children. I told him to ask her how many children they could have if he’s dead. The thought process in mind boggling.

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u/B1NG_P0T 4d ago

PLEASE get her vaccinated. I've had long covid for the past year and a half. (Kids can get long covid, too, btw.) Went from running half marathons to getting winded when I take my dogs for a 10 minute walk. I've got permanent asthma now and an around the clock headache that pain medicine does nothing for. The fatigue is still insane. Brain fog was so bad at first it felt like I had dementia; I've got a PhD but wouldn't be able to understand my dissertation if I read it now. I had to take half a year off from work. Your daughter is incredibly fortunate to have a parent like you who takes her health so seriously and who believes in science.

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u/mustang55 4d ago

Thank you so much from one mom to another!! Yes, I tend to follow the science while him and his BJ buddy tucker Carlson are busy following the money….???????????

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u/FrazzledBear 4d ago

Told my mom a few months back she couldn’t come around my kids until she got vaccinated. She hasn’t bothered to call or facetime since. I guess she didn’t care as much about them as I thought.

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u/ImagineTheCommotion 4d ago

Damn that sucks, I’m sorry

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u/FrazzledBear 4d ago

Thanks, I have great in-laws so it’s not all bad

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u/ImagineTheCommotion 4d ago

I’m glad to hear that, especially for your kiddos’ sake

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u/endium7 4d ago

might not be that bad for the kids really

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u/Pls_PmTitsOrFDAU_Thx 4d ago

I read these stories and feel so lucky. Not only did my mom get vaccinated, she made the appointment herself and made appointments for me and my sister too. Both of us are old enough to have done it ourselves but my mom wanted to do it for us. (my dad got his earlier because he's 50+). And now weve been vaccinated for over 5 months

I'm sorry to hear about what you're going through. Hit I also wanted to say good on you for putting your foot down. You love your kids and that's clear. You want to protect them and that makes you a great parent. I wish you and your family the best

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u/PaintDrinkingPete 4d ago

I had recently started dating a girl around the time Covid hit. We got along great and seemed to have a lot in common…had great conversations and seem to enjoy each other’s company.

It was complicated at first, with everything locked down and being unable to see each other often, but we somewhat weathered the storm and continued to see each other when we could…but I swear her entire personality changed over the course of just a few months, and I honestly just lost interest in having “discussions” with her surrounding the conspiracy theories she was more and more convinced were true.

Haven’t spoke to her in months, but last I had she was still strongly anti-vaccine.

No regrets.

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u/Finger11Fan 4d ago

I'm single and fully vaccinated. waggles eyebrows

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u/throwmeaway322zzz 4d ago

Me too. Wiggles nostrils

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u/Blenderx06 4d ago

Not single, but I can wiggle my ears. Let's be friends.

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u/AnimalFear 4d ago

I have a newborn and my own mom refuses to get vaccinated and doesn’t understand why I’m always anxious letting her see our baby. In the most stressful and exhausting time of my life when I always thought I could rely on my parents for support I am being caused great anxiety by my own mother. It’s very difficult.

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u/colantor 4d ago

Just got in a huge fight last night with my brother who isnt vaccinated and thinks hes smarter than everyone, will not be speaking to him for the foreseeable future

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u/colantor 4d ago

My brother called me a sheep as well

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u/jld2k6 4d ago edited 3d ago

My brother who graduated with honors just came out to me that he's an antivaxer and a flat earther. It's frustrating because he's so smart but he never learned critical thinking. YouTube documentaries are what got him

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u/DasGoon 4d ago

There's a difference between knowledge and intelligence.

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u/robdiqulous 4d ago

I had the same experience the other day...

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u/sangunpark1 4d ago

this is a good way to frame it, arbitrary numbers don't do it justice, like bruh for it to be the number 1 cause of death for average age adults? thats scary as fuck

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u/SrslyNotAnAltGuys 4d ago

Yeah, for awhile, some people were minimizing it in those terms. Like "Eh, more people are still dying from cancer or heart disease or.. "

Welp, looks like the turn has tableds.

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u/Imbadatallofthis 4d ago

First it was, “Italy has a much older population than us.”

Then it was, “It’s just a flu.”

After that, “Cancer and Heart Disease kill way more people.”

Now it’s, “Get used to it, it’s never going away.”

There is no low they won’t stoop to.

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u/okhi2u 4d ago

Then they catch it and "GUYS WHO KNEW IT WAS SO BAD??? PLS DONATE AND PRAYERS", or "GUYS MY n=1 EXPERIENCE SAYS ITS NO BIG DEAL SO STATISTICS DON'T MATTER BECAUSE ME OK!!".

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u/DogParkSniper 4d ago

GoFundMe, the new healthcare coverage provider of choice for Covid-deniers.

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u/RinRin17 4d ago

This attitude of “oh well it’s here to stay” makes me so mad. My parents still live in the US, but I moved back to Japan. We went from a huge delta spike of 25,000/day and are now down to 350/day (and falling!) because we vaccinated 75% of our population in 3 months and everyone still wears masks! We could win this fight without all the fucking misinformation and political one-ups-man ship bullshit. So worried about my family over there.

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u/Iwantadc2 3d ago edited 3d ago

Same with Spain. Humongous first couple of waves, then 'here take this fucking vaccine' then done. But we still wear masks even though pretty much everyone over 12 is vaccinated. Kids still wear them in school too. It's not complicated, indoor public space? Wear a mask. Also I can talk to myself behind my mask in the shops.

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u/SrslyNotAnAltGuys 4d ago

"Welp, get used to it, it's here for good. Too bad there wasn't anything we could have done."

*Goes back to posting memes comparing masks and vaccination to Communism while whistling to self*

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u/PoorEdgarDerby 4d ago

Also people who say “it’s just a flu” have never had the flu.

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u/mjb2012 4d ago

The irony is that last year's flu had a fraction of its usual spread, and claimed far fewer victims, because it was so effectively mitigated by the COVID precautions. If only COVID were so easily managed!

Last time I had the flu, I couldn't move for about 20 hours. I felt like I had been run over. It didn't used to be like that when I was younger. COVID would be even worse. So I'm not f'ing around; I follow the CDC advice and get my jabs, wear a good mask, distance, and wash my hands extra. My family does the same for me.

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u/anti_pope 4d ago

And cancer and heart disease are multiple diseases with multiple causes. COVID has been the number one single cause of death period.

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u/SayChowdaFrenchie 4d ago

They'll just move the goalposts, don't you worry.

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u/Deucer22 4d ago

With birth ages trending to later in life these are statistically people who are raising small children. Orphaning their kids to own the libs.

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u/Saucemycin 4d ago

I’ve had an unfortunate number of Covid ICU patients with children in pre K and elementary school. It’s heartbreaking.

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u/UnlikeSpace3858 4d ago

Considering there were free vaccines available to that age group, seems there was an underlying cause to consider.

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u/whichwitch9 4d ago

Delta was shown to be 2.33 times more lethal than the original strains in a Canadian study. The underlying cause is Delta is super infectious and more lethal, making it both more likely to severely affect younger unvaccinated persons and infect them.

Antivaxxers are not understanding that Delta does make them more at risk than they previously were.

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u/NetworkLlama 4d ago

Delta was shown to be 2.33 times more lethal than the original strains in a Canadian study.

It was 2.33 times as lethal, not more lethal. It was 133% more lethal than the original strain, so 233% as lethal as the original strain.

/pedant

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u/verneforchat 4d ago

This is correct. People may not think 2.33 times as in intimidating number. But saying 233% sure sounds messed up.

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u/Mazon_Del 4d ago

Honestly, statistics classes need to be both a mandatory high school class AND have a unit that explains how you can go about manipulating statistics so that you are explicitly telling the truth but in a misleading way.

For example, people are more likely to react to finding out that a covid vaccine increases your likelihood of a certain kind of blood clot by "Over 100%!!!!!" than they are to the fact that on average 3 in 100,000 people get those clots naturally anyway and the chance is only raised to 7 in 100,000 people.

Or simply put, a nearly 0% chance of something happening doubled is STILL nearly zero. But you can make it sound scary by saying that differently.

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u/Umarill 4d ago

It also is less of an increase than regular birth control that women take, or hormonal therapy.

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u/AskAboutMyCoffee 4d ago

To be fair, antivaxxers have a lot of not understanding.

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u/smoothtrip 4d ago

A life philosophy, if you will....

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u/bluntsandbears 4d ago

This is exactly why a lot of stoners are vaccinated.

We totally understand that certain strains are far more potent and will kick you right in the pants

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u/rna32 4d ago

Gave me lulz

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u/N7Greenfire 4d ago

I'm double vaxed, got a breakthrough infection and though I might die i my sleep it was so bad, I can't imagine covid rawdog.

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u/thecwestions 4d ago

Same here. 5-year old son brought it home from his non-mask-mandatory school within a matter of weeks of the semester starting up again in August. Both the wife and I were vaxed (her Pfizer, me Moderna), caught it, and everyone was down and out hard for several weeks. I was able to hold it at bay longer (4 days), but when it's in your home, you're sure to get it vax or no vax. Thank god no one ended up on oxygen, but the wife and son both went to the ER on Day 5/6 because they couldn't breath/sleep from all the coughing and shortness of breath. To say it was scary is an understatement. People aren't taking this strain or the vaccine seriously enough.

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u/Pairaboxical 4d ago

Antivaxxers are not understanding that Delta does make them more at risk than they previously were.

Exactly. I just heard an interview with a doctor saying it's a whole different animal. I think health officials should have pushed a different moniker to the media. 'Variant' seems sort of innocuous. People could justify refusing the vaccine by saying "I'm healthy. I know someone older than me get COVID last year and they didn't even get symptoms."

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u/adreamofhodor 4d ago

It seemed obvious delta was different when it was devastating India. We keep ignoring lessons from other countries!

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u/Peregrine37 4d ago

Bold to assume these people pay attention to international news

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u/ZombieBisque 4d ago

It seemed obvious delta was different when it was devastating India

And now that India is lying about its numbers of dead (undercounting by millions) all the antivaxxers think they beat the virus with the horse dewormer.

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u/axonxorz 4d ago

I think health officials should have pushed a different moniker to the media. 'Variant' seems sort of innocuous.

I agree with you, but I honestly don't think any amount of health-directed information would get through to the people who are still head in the sand about this. It would immediately be written off as "dur Fauci lied and made up another disease to control us"

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u/orangestegosaurus 4d ago

Yep, it has nothing to do with "branding" of the virus or vaccines. People don't trust the vaccine and downplay the virus because they've been told they can and should do that. My mom is a week into having covid and is probably the most sick I've ever seen her. She still tells me the vaccine might cause cancer and she doesn't trust it because "you can't prove that it doesn't". There is no logical argument they have.

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u/DistortoiseLP 4d ago

The lethality of delta compared to alpha isn't that much of a point if refusing a vaccine for alpha isn't reasonable either.

And it very much isn't. People have this hideous idea that the mortality rate alone judges the risk of a disease, and all of them need to breathe through a straw to understand what an inescapable terror having lung disease for the rest of their lives is going to be. The adverse effects of the vaccine pale compared to what surviving Covid can mean, let alone dying, and that delta is deadlier doesn't make alpha does to the body any less horrifying.

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u/PastSecondCrack 4d ago edited 4d ago

99.7% of deaths come from the unvaccinated, so I'm guessing vaccine hesitancy is the underlying condition you're speaking of.

Edit... it's actually worse. Look up the available data, and you will see that the CDC shows that in the US, 1,507 fully vaccinated died ever in total since the pandemic started, meanwhile over 1,700 unvaccinated are dying every day.

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u/Zidane62 4d ago

My mom was part of the 0.03%. Fucking anti vaxxers killed my mom.

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u/Zeropalvar 4d ago

I'm sorry for your loss.

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u/RevRagnarok 4d ago

Considering there were free vaccines available to that age group, seems there was an underlying cause to consider.

Foreign intelligence misinformation campaigns?

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u/pcpcy 4d ago

Why foreign? The local politicians did a perfectly fine job themselves. It's not Russians passing laws in Texas and Florida to ban vaccination and mask mandates, and fining counties $3.5 million for mandating vaccines.

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u/Sneaky_Bones 4d ago

I mean sure, and we are all susceptible to manipulation...but if someone is lead to believe that most doctors, nurses, health officials, virologists, and coroners around the globe were pushing for masks "as a means of control" or that doctors in Costa Rica or Turkey were inventing deaths just to make American republicans look bad...then eating horse laxative against all medical advice a year after denying the virus even existed, the biggest underlying cause is clearly being stupid as fuck.

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u/fatcIemenza 4d ago

Americans don't need foreign help to be self-destructive morons

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u/GlimmerChord 4d ago

True, but it is amplified and exploited by foreign governments

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u/NetworkLlama 4d ago

The foreign seeds help. There are still a lot of people that believe that HIV was a biological warfare agent created by the US military at Fort Detrick, a rumor started by a 1985 KGB operation called Operation INFEKTION despite Russia formally disavowing the operation in 1992.

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u/Second3mpire 4d ago

Don't need the help but also won't turn down said help if offered...

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u/principled_principal 4d ago

Went to my primary care doc for a routine physical the other day. She told me about a super healthy 38-year-old in my community who died after refusing to go to the hospital for too long—he kept saying to his family that his body would heal naturally because he was healthy and strong. It didn’t. Not surprisingly, the unvaxxed members of his family still haven’t gotten “the jab.”

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u/BarbWho 4d ago

Same with a friend of my best friend's son. Unvaccinated, refused to go the hospital. Dead at 49. It's unfathomable, really.

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u/Godmirra 4d ago

Lucky the Governor of Texas banned mask mandates by private companies. I am sure that will solve the problem.

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u/big_duo3674 4d ago

And fortunately this pandemic was supposed to be done a year and [I lost track now] months ago, so nothing to worry about! Anyways, if it was still going to be this bad so far into it, there would have been a ton of doctors and health organizations warning about a peak like this months ago, so we're definitely safe. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to grab my large aluminum pole and try to poke a squirrel nest off of my power lines. Electricity isn't nearly as dangerous as the government tries to tell us, it's just being used as an excuse to over-regulate and control. Plus I read on Facebook that vitamin-C and fresh dog urine protects you from the shock if you rub it through your hair

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u/Givemeallthecabbages 4d ago

Closed-toed shoes are communist.

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u/-notapony- 4d ago

I liked their performances to the base when it was dumber. Go ahead and ban elementary schools from teaching Critical Race Theory, a thing none of them were doing, if it will rile up the inbred rubes for your next election. But doing this will result in the deaths of people who would not have died otherwise.

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u/J4halla1 4d ago

Get vaccinated.

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u/beerbrewer1995 4d ago

My friend in Tennessee whom I used to think was a legit critical thinker refuses. Outright refuses. It turns out he's just a bit of a paranoid skeptic on the verge of conspiracy theorist rather than "critical thinker". He says it's not because he believes in a grand conspiracy, but because he doesn't trust the propoganda surrounding the vaccine. When I asked what he was talking about, he brought up free vaccines. "Vaccines shouldn't be free from a pharmaceutical company". But last week he was posting things about how the government probably invented the virus to charge us out the ass for the vaccine. A few weeks ago he went to the zoo without a mask and now he has covid, which he doesn't believe is where he got it because "two weeks ago is too long for symptoms to just show up now"... I legitimately think these people just don't like needles and are going through mental gymnastics to justify it.

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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 4d ago

I legitimately think these people just don't like needles and are going through mental gymnastics to justify it.

Bingo. These people aren't on the level. The media ties themselves into pretzels to try and "understand" these anti-vaxxers, but there's nothing to understand. Anti-vaxxers aren't doing a cost-benefit analysis. They're against the vaccine and then they rationalize the opinion by grabbing whatever they can reach.

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u/yungmungo 4d ago

I'm a huge baby when it comes to pain like absolutely terrified of just getting hurt a little. I took that needle like a boss because i'd rather have a needle than have a machine breathe for me in the hospital.

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u/JustTheFactsPleaz 4d ago

That's a solid argument. That's exactly what I tell my kids when they cry in fear over their vaccinations. "I know a shot hurts a little. But if you get sick and go to the hospital, you get more shots and an IV." It's always made them feel better and understand what's going on.

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u/yungmungo 4d ago

The needle is so small because you only get a few ml of the vaccine. Like it took maybe two seconds to have it done. It hurts more getting out of bed and having to go to work.

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u/physicalentity 4d ago

Honestly, I barely even felt the first shot but the second one stung a little. Small price to pay for the peace of mind.

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u/LadyMageCOH 4d ago

Yep. My brother in law just became a grandfather a few months ago. His daughter, the one who just gave birth, has a disorder that requires her to get regular transfusions to keep her white blood count up. The new grandpa and his new wife have just opted to not bother getting the vaccine "because it doesn't affect them". Umm...hello? Infant grandchild? Immune compromised daughter? They just don't want to. Makes me want to smack both of them. If she were my daughter, I'd have moved heaven and earth to be first in line with my sleeve rolled up. We did not visit her with the new baby until all of us who could be vaxed were - youngest daughter is only 9. Another brother in law (my side this time) made excuse after excuse but his job mandated it so he finally caved.

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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 4d ago

I will never understand it. I did everything I could to get the vaccine ASAP. I even volunteered at the drive thru vax site (with no pay!) for 16 hours to get it early. To refuse the shot with immunocompromised loved ones and a newborn around really upsets me. So much preventable death...

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u/cC2Panda 4d ago

Many of them are just straight up idiots incapable of difficult thoughts. There was a woman interviewed on NPR that was astoundingly dumb. This summer she went to a family members graduation party where a person had covid. It spread to 8 other people in her family and her geriatric grandmother got it then had COPD related issues and died. The woman interviewed spent several days in the hospital because it was so bad. When she was asked if she'd consider getting the vaccine now she said, "I've been social distancing and it's worked okay so far"

To them a dead family member and hospitalization is working well for them.

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u/General_Brainstorm 4d ago

Which is insane. I HATE needles, it's always 50/50 if the smelling salts come out. That being said, my ass got my shots the day they allowed us to.

You're gonna have a shit load more needles (and worse) to deal with when you're in the ICU with covid.

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u/placebotwo 4d ago

"Vaccines shouldn't be free from a pharmaceutical company".

They aren't free. They are free to us but paid for by some entity along the way. GOD these people are fucking morons.

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u/haffbaked 4d ago

The best are people saying they won’t take it because it’s free and that other medicine not being free proves that the covid vaccine is harmful… but at the same time praising Trump and Republican ideology.

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u/ComradeCrypto 4d ago

I have a morbid curiosity: Will covid deaths noticably affect the outcome of US elections over the next few years by virtue of the fact that more voters from one side have died vs the other? I don't know if this is actually true, just a (morbid) hypothesis.

Context: 720k have died from covid out of a population of 330m. Thats 1 in every 500 people.

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u/Why_You_Mad_ 4d ago

It's certainly possible. More people have died in many states than their elected officials' margin of victory.

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u/Super_Flea 4d ago

The 2000 presidential election came down to 537 votes, so yeah it's absolutely possible.

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u/derphurr 4d ago

No it came down to SCOTUS votes. They stopped counting in FL and the actual counts didn't favor Bush

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u/M3wThr33 4d ago

At the same time, one party is trying clamp down on voting rights for the other side, so that might end up counter-acting it. This is all terrible math. We'll see for some small elections next month.

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u/theLord666666 4d ago

“It only kills fat old people”

How many hundreds of times have I seen this.

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u/einsibongo 4d ago

do they even have those in America?

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u/hockeyjim07 4d ago

well not any more... they all got killed by the rona

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u/Yashema 4d ago edited 4d ago

It is crazy how much the pandemic has changed since the release of the vaccine. You can clearly see how anti-vaccination sentiment & covid denialism is leading to much increased deaths in Republican parts of the country.

At the beginning of summer the 4 states with the highest COVID related deaths per capita for the duration of the pandemic were: New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Massachusetts. Now Mississippi is running away with the top spot, Louisiana is gunning for Jersey and the #2, and Alabama has passed New York for the #4 (and may yet pass New Jersey). Arizona is also creeping up the rankings and will push New York out of the Top 5 in the coming weeks. Florida and Arkansas are only a couple of weeks away from pulling ahead of RI and MA for the #7 & #8 spots.

Meanwhile, states like Texas, South Carolina, Tennessee, South Dakota and Oklahoma also moved up the rankings in late summer and are continuing to top the states with the highest death totals. Illinois was in the top 25 until a week ago, but Kansas and North Dakota jumped ahead. Currently if you look at the 25 states with the highest rates of COVID deaths there are 6 Liberal states (NJ, NY, RI, MA, CT, NM), 6 purple states (AZ, FL, GA, PA, NV, MI) and 13 Republican states (MS, LA, AL, AK, SD, SC, IN, TX, OK, TN, ND, WV, KS).

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u/hapithica 4d ago

I just looked at the death rates and why is NJ in 2nd?

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u/AgoraiosBum 4d ago

Early epicenter, before the US had tests that worked. If you look at graphs of the early days, there are very few positive tests, but a huge spike in deaths that went unmatched until the winter 2020 / 2021 wave and the Delta wave.

It had a chance to spread quite a bit before the lockdowns, before masks, and before hospitals figured out better treatment options.

Really, if you want an accurate count of how folks did with equal knowledge and warning, you would start your assessment around May of 2020.

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u/Bocote 4d ago

One of the reasons is that NY and NJ got hit hard by the first wave last year when the health care workers had no idea how to save people from COVID. Plus, no vaccine. A lot died during that wave and drove the death per million figure way up.

I'm rather surprised that NY and NJ are no longer the worst-hit places and the few other states have managed to catch up despite having vaccines and better care for the affected.

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u/verneforchat 4d ago

Most importantly, no testing was available in the first few months. You couldnt even trace infections.

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u/JustTheFactsPleaz 4d ago

Yep. My whole family (we live in NJ) got really sick early on in the pandemic. We tried to get tested, but were refused because we hadn't been out of the state.

NJ has ridiculous amounts of international travel. Pre-covid, just in my small suburban neighborhood, I knew people who frequently traveled to China, India, Egypt, Venezuela, Pakistan, the U.K., Italy... Every week people in my town were visiting relatives, having relatives visit or traveling for business. I don't know when covid came to my town, but logic says it was early. By the time schools started closing, it was way too late to contain it.

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u/Yashema 4d ago edited 4d ago

Population density. Jersey City has a population density of 17,000/sq mile, NYC has one of 27,000/sq mile. To give a comparison, Houston, the largest city in the South, has a density of only 3,800/sq mile. Also Jersey was one of the states with the first major breakouts and the government, both at the state level and Federal Level, was unprepared (partially thanks to Trump defunding pandemic preparedness and the administration hoping that only blue states would be affected).

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u/cwmoo740 4d ago

Jersey also has a lot of people that commute from all over to NYC. And had a large nursing home population for its size.

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u/Amy_Ponder 4d ago

Never forget that at the height of the global mask shortage, when healthcare workers were wearing bandanas because there weren't enough N95s to go around, Trump stole over 3 million masks the state of Massachusetts bought and paid for. His goons confiscated them at the port before the state government could take them off the shipping containers.

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u/OverlordLork 4d ago

Our governor had to get the New England Patriots to fly their team jet overseas and smuggle us covid supplies to stop Trump from stealing them too. I always rooted against the Patriots but I can't hate them after that.

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u/redwall_hp 4d ago

He did that with ones being shipped from manufacturers to other countries that had paid for them as well. AKA actual piracy.

Wars have been fought over less.

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u/daintywarlock 4d ago

I was in northern NJ when it all hit. I think the highest population density coupled with that area being the epicenter of the original outbreak in the US (and the uncertainty early on) have it an unfortunate head start

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u/VintageJane 4d ago

Also worth mentioning that, in addition to a really high population density, Jersey is also a pretty purple state. There’s a reason why Chris Christie was governor there for so long.

One of the things that has protected the South and other conservative places in our country - especially during the pre-vax waves - was low population density. Now, with schools back in session and no mask mandates, they are losing all those benefits but Jersey never had it but is still full of selfish rural ideology.

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u/prairie_girl 4d ago

At the beginning of the pandemic it was absolutely labeled as a "liberal disease" and those dirty democrats could die for all anyone cared.

Who wants to bet money that as soon as election campaigns really get moving the argument will be "they tried to KILL us republicans just so we couldn't VOTE." We're going to be hearing it everywhere.

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u/Bluest_waters 4d ago

Reminder than nearly ALL covid deaths right now are among the unvaxxed

Vaccines Work: 97% Of COVID Deaths, 95% Of Hospitalizations And 94% Of Cases Are Among Unvaccinated Pennsylvanians

https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/health-details.aspx?newsid=1595

For the week ended Sept. 23, only 22 of the 1,721 people, or 1.3%, who were admitted to a hospital in Indiana with COVID were fully vaccinated, the state said. Of the 315 people admitted to intensive care during that time, only one was fully vaccinated.

The state said 246 people died from COVID during the same week. Only three, or 1.2%, were fully vaccinated.

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/state-unvaccinated-make-up-huge-percentage-of-covid-deaths-hospitalizations

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u/ZenWhisper 4d ago

It would be a great counterpoint to know what rank Covid deaths are for fully vaccinated people in that age range in September.

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u/Katiari 4d ago

I'm positing that ignorance was the number one killer, and Covid-19 was the symptom.

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u/ZapBranniganAgain 4d ago

Really it was more malicious than ignorance, it was misinformation

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u/coolsexhaver69 4d ago

My office just announced they want us all back in person by November, no exceptions :)

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u/brickmack 4d ago

My office just announced they expect to be permanently work from home going forward, and will be moving to a new office building 1/10 the size in a couple months, with a projected savings of half a million or so dollars a year with no discernible impact to productivity

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u/eetsasledgehammer 4d ago

My office sent us all home in March 2020 and then made us all return in person in June 2020 because the CEO felt that "people were taking advantage" of working from home.

Meanwhile, CEO continues to work from home to this day.

Aint capitalism fun?

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u/Gootangus 4d ago

I quit a job because my boss was working remotely while the rest of us weren’t. Oh yeah we were a grief center.

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u/iAmTheTot 4d ago

You don't understand. The CEO works harder than you. In fact, he works 351x harder than you.

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u/uping1965 4d ago

cause of death for unvaccinated 35 to 54 year olds.....

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u/2qSiSVeSw 4d ago

So you're telling me, a deadly pandemic is the leading cause of death?

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u/sjfiuauqadfj 4d ago

nah bro that cant be it

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u/DapprDanMan 4d ago

Going to do my own research.

Will return with results.

Edit: I died

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