r/meirl Dec 01 '22 Silver 1 Wholesome 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1

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u/FOB_cures_my_sadness Dec 01 '22

I had a teacher get fired this year because she was saying she was going to call people's parents and make you explain to your parents why you had to go to the bathroom

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u/Embarrassed_Wing_284 Dec 02 '22

Teacher here-they deserved that. That’s honestly the most ridiculous classroom management technique I’ve heard.

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u/FOB_cures_my_sadness Dec 02 '22

She'd also lock you out for like 10 minutes after you went to the bathroom. You could be there and back in like 3 minutes, but you'd still miss a lot of instruction waiting for her to let you back in

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u/wertyvid Dec 02 '22

they're creating a problem, so that they can be more restrictive

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u/12soea Dec 02 '22

Just have everyone except one person go to the Bathroom and that person takes all the notes, boom.

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u/Scienceandpony Dec 02 '22

Certainly an unorthodox way of framing an anatomy pop quiz.

"Well you see, urine is stored in the bladder and..."

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u/Appropriate-Skill-60 Dec 02 '22

Pee is actually stored in the balls.

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u/SnowyInuk Dec 01 '22

In elementary school Ill never forget the time I was in the office waiting for my mom to pick me up for a dentist appointment. There was a kid begging his EA teacher (a teacher that specializes in helping special needs kids) to let him use the staff washroom because he felt like he was going to throw up.

He was practically in tears and she kept saying that the staff washroom was for teachers and kids had to use the stall washrooms, but she was to busy at the moment to take him so he'd have to wait. He turned to try and pry the door to the staff washroom open because he really felt like it was going to happen and that he wouldn't be able to make it to the washroom or be able to wait for ger. The EA just told him to stop being dramatic and pretending. The kid then proceeded to throw up all over the bottom of the door and floor. The EA just kind of stood there for a second and the snapped - go straight to the washroom and wipe that off. When you're clean we'll tell Mr. Downing (janitor) what you did and I'll be calling your mom." When the kid left to go to the student washrooms the EA sighed really sharply and muttered something

Nothing happened to her even though the vice principal and both secretaries saw what happened. She continued her job until my grade 8 year and probably after that

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u/Embarrassed_Wing_284 Dec 01 '22

What an asshole move. Let the poor kid puke in peace. Jesus Christ, why do some people work on schools?

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u/EndureThePANG Dec 02 '22

because they couldn't make it as a college professor or high school teacher

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u/ChogginNurgets Dec 02 '22

Honestly though, working in SPED or Elementary Ed can be even more challenging than simply working at the HS level. An elementary teacher has a shit ton of standards to meet, plus a less disciplined aged group PLUS they have to deal with the same (often too large) group of kids for the WHOLE DAY all year long. At least i only have to deal with them for 45 minutes before i get a new group!

As a HS teacher, i could never do what elementary teachers do. I honestly don't think I have enough knowledge to do so.

The real shitty ones are the ones that do it for cash, know the admins, and want to be on the same schedule as the kids.

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u/Embarrassed_Wing_284 Dec 02 '22

I agree. I’m also a hs teacher, and planning for a single subject vs several is so much easier. I don’t envy that job at all.

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u/Macaroni_pussy Dec 02 '22

Wtf no one has control over when they get puke???? Why the fuck would anyone blame a child over something they have no way of preventing? It’s not like the kid was literally like “I’m gonna throw up now teehee 🤭 “

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u/SnowyInuk Dec 02 '22

I guess she thought he was faking or something. That's not the worst thing she's done to a special needs kid in that school

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u/runaways616 Dec 02 '22

Not on that level,

had a teacher snap at me for having the hiccups during class, after asked her if I could get some water and she told me no and to stop trying to get out of class.

Oh also the same teacher who told me to get off the floor and stop being dramatic after another student (a bully) almost broke and did cause me to bruise my tail bone badly.

Told her to shut the fuck up and to stop being a dumb bitch for one second of her life for that one,

principal came into the washroom to yell at me (the teacher was a relative of his) saw I was throwing up because of shock and quickly changed his tone,

Teacher and other student never got in shit for it. Rest of my class kept telling me to man up for the rest of the day. (Gotta love toxic small towns)

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u/WastedPresident Dec 02 '22

This brought out a memory I have from first grade. We were all sitting on the floor listening to a book being read, with crossed legs and a kid asked if he could use the restroom. Teacher said not until the end of the chapter. Kid throws up 2 min later, he catches the majority in his shirt. All I remember the teacher saying was:

"Seth, that's disgusting."

She was a piece of work. Had it out for the boys. Now I remember another boy who lost his mom to cancer. He cried when his dad had to leave him and go to work almost every day. The teacher would honey him and reassure the dad he could leave. As soon as she did, she told Skyler he needed to stop crying. Be quiet. You're not a baby.

School rules were weirdly enforced too. I had to change my color card for hugging other kids twice. "Hands to yourself" is not a great blanket rule...

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u/Facky Dec 02 '22

My 4th grade year I was in a special education class in a regular school and I held my pee all day cause the teachers were too busy to take me.

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u/Sparki_ Dec 02 '22

That's horrible. I've rarely come across a teacher that actually cares about the children. Even when I was at school. I have emetophobia & I panic when I throw up & I don't want a bunch of people seeing it as it would make it worse. Teachers can really be the worst

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u/ISCUPATCUTIJETRU Dec 02 '22

"The kid then proceeded to throw up all over the bottom of the door and floor."

U know what he should have done instead?Gone back to the teacher and vomited all over HER

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u/Usermena Dec 01 '22

Went to a private school from 4th to 8th. They had permission to do anything they liked to us. I didn’t eat lunch for the whole year of 4th grade because I didn’t understand math.

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u/Hobbermallo Dec 02 '22

While not as bad as your case, i got detention and screamed at almost every day for 4th class (Irish equivalent of 4th grade) because i couldnt learn my times tables for the life of me.

Now that ive got a child of my own, if any teacher pulls that shit im going ballistic

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u/b0n_ni3_c Dec 02 '22

Literally the exact same and in ireland. Come to find I'm actually really good at maths, Im a h1 in higher level, that teacher was just awful and cruel.

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u/AlfaMale2 Dec 02 '22

Why didn’t your parents/guardian do anything about it?

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u/Objective_Flan_9967 Dec 02 '22

Because back then the teacher was always right, so you obviously did something wrong and deserved it

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u/ducktheoryrelativity Dec 01 '22

We expect kids to do things it wouldn't cross an adult mind to do. I remember exactly one job that expected people to never use the bathroom and that manager was fired for labor law violations. Put the playground bully into any adult work environment and he's getting fired and possibly arrested. Yet we expect kids to put up with it and we're genuinely shocked when a bullied kid shoots up the school.

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u/shaunnotthesheep Dec 01 '22 Silver

In other words: most adults don't see children as people

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u/ducktheoryrelativity Dec 02 '22

I wouldn't have thought to come out and say it that way but you're right.

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u/12soea Dec 02 '22

I thought Captain underpants was an exaggeration

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u/Historical_Height_29 Dec 02 '22

In fairness, most teachers live in a world where THEY are not allowed to go to the bathroom when they need to, and have to time their breaks to fit their excretory needs into a five-minute passing period or a recess break or something.

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u/hat1414 Dec 02 '22

I am a teacher, I think the major disconnect I see with students is how me dealing with each side of a conflict separately is "unfair" or me "not doing anything about it"

Example: kid A shoves kid B. Kid B starts screaming at that kid. I get involved. I tell kid A that what they did is not allowed, and their consequence is missing recess. I tell kid B that screaming is not the best way to deal with this situation. Kid B does not have to stay in. Kid B is upset at me that he was told he could do better. Every fucking time.

Lots of time teachers don't punish people publically too, because we shouldn't. Of course that leaves students feeling like nothing is done.

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u/Hasta_La_Vittu_Baby Dec 01 '22

I remember when I was like six and starting a new school year the teacher spent some time going over her rules, one of which was no toilet breaks. I literally peed where I sat that first day because I just could not hold it any longer. Very degrading experience for a fully toilet trained six year old.

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u/sladeshied Dec 01 '22

That’s so fucked up. What teacher would prevent a bunch of six-year-olds from peeing??

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u/Jason_Wolfe Dec 01 '22 Silver

the ones who are powertripping and enjoy making their students squirm

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u/now_is_not_forever Dec 02 '22

My first boss told me that there are two kinds of teachers: the ones who teach because they love to help children learn and the ones who teach because they love control

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u/warhammer3der Dec 02 '22

Three types of teachers. You missed the ones who are just trying to survive paycheck to paycheck.

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u/ccc2801 Dec 01 '22

Well technically she didn’t prevent them from peeing, she just prevented them from visiting the toilet…

Sorry that that happened to kid-you, OC

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u/twotoebobo Dec 02 '22

Call me a liar but no teacher was telling me I couldn't take a piss. I have a shitty flea size bladder and wouldn't even ask once I hit sixth grade I would tell them I'm going to pee. In hindsight probably should have gotten a doctors note.

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u/overmyheadepicthrow Dec 01 '22

This happened to someone in 7th grade. A girl kept begging the teacher to let her go and when the teacher finally relented, she stood up and peed herself. Awful.

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u/AnyCatch4796 Dec 01 '22

This one kid in my 6th grade class begged the teacher to pee, but she had the no bathroom policy as well. He kept asking and she said he’d have to wait until class change. So then the fire alarm goes off about 5 minutes before class change. He pees during the fire drill and literally everyone knew about it. I felt so bad for him, he’d been asking to go for close to 2 hours. Then a few weeks or maybe months later, was 15 years ago, he was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes

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u/amandawinit247 Dec 02 '22

That is ridiculous. 2 hours of having to hold it?? I would’ve been crying. Parents should tell their kids to get up and go if they really need to regardless of what the teachers say. Kids should not get punished for this

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u/Hurryeat_Tubman Dec 02 '22

I was given the instruction by my parents to ask first but get up and go to the bathroom regardless of what the teacher says.

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u/Infinite-Eggs Dec 02 '22

I'm surprised the teacher gave you detention because it's like a 50% chance that it would result in a parent calling. I thought this was one of those things everyone knew their parents would back them with no questions asked.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

I’ve told my kids that they can ALWAYS use the bathroom when they need to at school and that they would never get in trouble at home for disobeying a teacher to do this. I’m a pediatrician and about a month after school starts every year it’s nothing but constipation, UTIs and voiding dysfunction (urine accidents from habitually holding it in too long).

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u/iamday1 Dec 01 '22

Something kinda similar happened when I was like 7. I told my teacher my stomach hurt and wanted to call my mom and she said I was lying and just trying to go home early, after like 10min urea me asking I proceeded to projectile vomit in the middle of the class AND I STILL GOT IN SHIT FOR NOT GOING TO THE BATHROOM?!?!?!?

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u/scoobysnaxxx Dec 02 '22

same here lol. managed to hit four desks and the floor, and the teacher lost her shit. then my mom came in and ripped her a new one because apparently they knew i had stomach issues.

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u/Nolleezz Dec 01 '22 Silver

I was known as pisspants from grades 2-5 bc of this.

My daughter had a teacher with this rule and I called a meeting with the principal and told them both that under no circumstances should my kid EVER be denied a washroom break.
This was also a teacher that would force a child to stick gum on their forehead should they be caught chewing it in class. I not so nicely informed them if that ever happens again, I'll be going to the school board. The teacher was gone before the year ended.

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u/nanixay799 Dec 02 '22

Can't that also cause UTIs ?

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u/Nolleezz Dec 02 '22

I'm not 100% sure but it can lead to bladder infections. And I had many as a child.

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u/treewithfeelings Dec 01 '22

I got a little foggy eyed reading your comment. Every kid deserves a parent/caregiver who advocates for them, you’re awesome!

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u/Nolleezz Dec 02 '22

Thank you. My daughter was a sweet gentle kid. I mean, she's still sweet and gentle but she's 33 now.

I HATE bullies. I mean, no one likes them but I get full on rage if I see it.

In that same school, I was fired as a lunchtime monitor bc I 'told off' a different teacher. It was pizza day and a child had order 2 pieces but only received one. (The teacher doled them out). She waited patiently until the teacher was finished and asked about her other slice. To which this BEAST of a bitch says "Do you really NEED 2 pieces?!" To which I said "Mrs Payne (actual name lol), she PAID for 2, she should GET 2". Tbh I shouldn't have done it in front of the class but it was out of my mouth before I could think about it.

That school was horrible.

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u/ChocoMintStar Dec 01 '22

Not even mentioning that could cause utis for the poor kids forced to keep it in right? Or other health issues.

I was a victim of selfish teachers who loved superiority over their student's bladders. Rather not talk about the experience but it was practically the same result as you. Should be illegal imo

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u/Harvey_P_Dull Dec 01 '22

My best friend and I are 34 and went to high school together. We had UTIs from having to hold it constantly. She has issues still to this day and we’re convinced it’s from then.

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u/AvoidMyRange Dec 02 '22

I had a teacher with this rule when I was already in high school. She very quickly found out that kids that age don't care anymore and started crying when we organized and just walked out of her class after 15 minutes every time we had one.

Then we visited a nazi bunker (this happened in Germany) and during the discussion afterwards she said: "Don't tell your parents, but if we had gassed all the jews back then, we would have fewer problems now."

Of course someone told, there was a whole court case and she was transferred... to an elementary school.

So all in all - fun times...

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u/ScreamingSkull Dec 01 '22

had a very similar experience at that age - was busting to go but was fully convinced that the teacher would scold me for even asking based on what I had seen, so I held it back as long as I could. When I finally asked and got permission I was so relieved I literally relieved myself there as I ran for the bathroom to the sound of my classmates shrieking.

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u/A_bleak_ass_in_tote Dec 01 '22

I went to an all-boys Catholic school when I was little, where we had one recess and one lunch. We started school at 7 am and ended at 3 pm. No restroom breaks during class, so we had two opportunities to use the restroom during an 8 hour school day. I peed my pants a few times between ages 6 and 7. Horrifying experience to say the least.

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u/You_Stealthy_Bastard Dec 02 '22

My sister's husband's dad is a teacher and the head of a teachers' union in California.

He's the angriest, meanest, most sadistic son of a bitch I've ever met. He thoroughly and outwardly enjoys having leverage over people and making them do his bidding. His son (who my sister is unfortunately married to) would be worse but being 500lbs has made the effort of being an asshole too strenuous.

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u/KAQe27 Dec 01 '22

When I was that age I was just too scared to ask so I peed myself in my seat... but I was also too scared to say anything so had to sit there like that for the whole lesson, wait for everyone including the teacher to leave and clean it up with my jumper and hide it. By far the grossest and one of the most anxious days of my life. Why do they do that to kids????

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u/dick_yzinya Dec 02 '22

When I was in grade one i asked to use the bathroom and the teacher said no. I shit in my pants and her having to deal with the fallout from that solved the problem. One guy in high school just pissed in the garbage can in front of the class when denied. There are ways

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u/ImSoSte4my Dec 01 '22

I did this in kindergarten, in the computer lab no less. I asked the teacher if I could use the restroom twice and she said no both times. I remember my parents asking me why I peed and just saying "I told her I had to go." I wasn't in trouble, if anything I imagine the teacher probably got a talking to.

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u/greentinroof_ Dec 01 '22

I had a headache all through school until I was in probably grade 10 or 11. Couldn’t figure out why but then I remember getting 2 or 3 slurps of water 2 or 3 times a day. I think I spent ten years being perpetually dehydrated and I’m sure it affected me negatively. I’m glad now kids get water bottles to carry with them throughout the day.

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u/whorgans Dec 02 '22

In some schools water bottles aren’t allowed due to the potential of hiding alcohol in them. My sister had to get a doctors note to have one with her.

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u/greentinroof_ Dec 02 '22

Well I don’t believe that was a factor for me in grade 4 but who knows I guess.

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u/Conscious-Dirt-7289 Dec 01 '22

I'm a teacher

I have to only let one kid out at a time, but sometimes they complain about having an emergency

I've told them all this,

"Look, class, if it between listening to me and having an accident in your pants, then don't listen to me just go use the restroom!"

Obviously if it happens a lot I have to do something about it, but I will never make a kid sit there desperate to use the restroom while not being able to - it's just wrong

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u/sladeshied Dec 01 '22

Some teachers do abuse this bathroom pass system, though. I remembered a teacher who literally stood in front of the door to block a girl from walking out and using the restroom. Then she (the teacher) sat down and just wrote the girl up. All because of wanting to use the restroom when she had no more passes left.

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u/Conscious-Dirt-7289 Dec 01 '22

Oh I'm definitely aware that some do. Some go on powertrips for sure

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u/Chemical-Pattern480 Dec 01 '22

I’ve told my kid, if she ever needs to go to the bathroom, she should ask, because that’s what you do, but if the teacher says no, and it’s an emergency, go anyway. And tell the teacher to call me, and I’ll handle it!

I worry, though, because she’s so timid and shy, I don’t know if she’d have the gumption to just get up and leave! She once spent a whole day without water, because Husband tightened her water bottle lid too tight and she couldn’t open it to fill it!

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u/justcallmesparky2009 Dec 01 '22

I have a 13 year old ball of anxiety too and I've said similar. Ask first to be polite but go if you HAVE to go or period leaks because female, tell them to call mom. I'll show them evidenced based practice regarding UTI, holding urine for too long, etc. I've been on her campus and she has either 3 or 5 minutes between classes, which, when combined with period poops and leaks, just isn't long enough to take care of things.

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u/greentinroof_ Dec 01 '22

Yeah I told this to my kids too. Ask first and then if teacher says no (and you really have to go) just go to the washroom.

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u/TheOnlyFoFo Dec 01 '22

I remember the teachers in HS would get mad if we asked to use the bathroom, always “why didn’t you go between classes”. It was only 5 minutes between classes and they were always in a completely different building.

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u/whorgans Dec 02 '22

This was exactly my issue in high school. We had 8 buildings and 5 minutes to get between them. I was already having to basically run between classes. There was no time to go to the bathroom, even if you were lucky enough to get classes in the same building. You hit foot traffic going down because of people leaving the building. Then you hit foot traffic going back from people entering the building. It was awful.

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u/severesurfstyle Dec 01 '22

My kid was holding his pee all day because when he asked to use the rest room his teacher was “super frustrated”. This was in second grade! A seven year old!

I told him learn this lesson now: an adult is responsible for her own emotions and reactions. If an elementary school teacher expects to never have to hear about bathroom breaks, that is 100% HER problem and has nothing to do with you. Let her be as frustrated as she wants, you’re a human being with needs and dignity. You just ignore any signs she likes to give of frustration and do what you need to do. Her overreaction is not your problem.

I want him to have a thicker skin than me. I had bladder issues as a kid and lived in anxiety of an accident because of teachers like that.

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u/FourthNubbies Dec 01 '22

me being an absolute shit of a kid in elementary i didnt say anything cool or anuthing like that but if i HAD TO GO i would if they told me to wait i would piss myself and when they ask whyd you do that id look at them “bewildered” like “i didnt know”

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u/skelingtun Dec 02 '22

I pissed myself passing out homework because I asked "can I use the restroom" and she said "no, but you can pass this out." I took those packets and held them to my pants well peeing. She had the audacity to say "you couldn't hold it!" No one made fun of me though do to not having homework.

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u/FourthNubbies Dec 02 '22

fair trade

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u/Bobyyyyyyyghyh Dec 02 '22

Which was good because that was last week during a college class

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u/FourthNubbies Dec 02 '22

bruh you fucking what you made me choke and die what a fucking punchline

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u/aspiringlettuce Dec 02 '22

Hi, I'd like to let you know, that not just your kid, but also me, a fully grown 26 y.o. human, just learned a really valuable life lesson in not pleasing people from your comment.

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u/magobblie Dec 02 '22

I would become this teacher's problem real fast.

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u/mountngloat Dec 02 '22

Just out of pure curiosity, do they get recess and lunch breaks when they are able to go to the washroom on their own terms? Where I am, during recess/snack, students are usually free to choose if/when they need to use the bathroom

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u/dsdvbguutres Dec 01 '22

That lasts until one kid shits his pants and after that platinum toilet subscription package to everyone with unlimited shits all year.

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u/cpMetis Dec 02 '22

Ah. That's a nice theory.

No. That kid just gets bullied and they keep on tuckin' with the same policies.

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u/AlexsterCrowley Dec 01 '22 Silver

Teacher chiming in: I literally let my high school students leave whenever they need to for bathroom, food, important calls, etc. Every semester I’ll have 1 or 2 students who abuse it, but that’s a small price to pay for dignity/respect given to all of the rest.

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u/theforeverman13 Dec 01 '22

My thought always was that treating kids like that was to prepare them for factory job work where they are treated the same way. Jobs are changing and so should practices like what you described. Good on you

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u/throwawaytrumper Dec 02 '22

I work as a heavy equipment operator doing a job that is often very rough in nasty conditions. First thing I tell new guys is “don’t be a hero, if you’re cold go warm up, if you need to use the bathroom go use it, if you need a micro break take it. If the super or a foreman gives you grief let me know so I can go yell at them”.

The job is enough work without unneeded bullshit, if a guy’s gotta pee then by god he should go do it. It’s hard enough focusing on not squishing all the tradesmen around us and avoiding pipes and conduits and whatnot, how are you going to focus if you have to pee?

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u/king_27 Dec 01 '22 I'll Drink to That

Well yeah that's kinda the whole point of school. Producing standardized workers for standardized jobs who are already prepared to take orders from a superior without questioning them. Learn by rote, critical thinking is not needed.

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u/geon Dec 01 '22

So much of education has been like that. Children “producing” math solutions. Lots of solutions = good student, never mind understanding.

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u/PandaCodeRed Dec 01 '22

Really depends on the school.

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u/kingofcould Dec 02 '22

Agreed. I went to public schools in a lower income area for 11 years and it was just a mill for producing quiet and ‘productive’ low wage workers.

I did junior year in an affluent area in another state and it was insanely different: being late, wearing ripped or short clothing, using your electronics, and all sorts of stuff were permitted and the only grades were from tests that happened like once a month.

Crazy how all the kids in the first school were struggling and all of the rich kids in the other school were easily scoring high enough to get the free handouts towards college that the state provided (GA)

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u/NonSequitorSquirrel Dec 01 '22

I felt the same when I was a teacher. Even the kids who abused the policy were mostly kids with ADHD who needed to run around. I remember one kid who would just leave to run back and forth and bounce around the halls so he could sit in his desk for the rest of the period.

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u/40percentdailysodium Dec 02 '22

I have ADHD (among other things.) This is something I actually used to have in my college disability accomodations. It helped me get through the really long classes.

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u/katiemaequilts Dec 02 '22

My kid has ADHD and they used to (pre-Covid) have him run errands all over the school when he wasn't actively learning.

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u/BdubinVegas Dec 01 '22

Same. I’m also a HS teacher, and when a student asks I always say yes. Of course, go to the restroom. Absolutely, you can eat in class, but you bring a cheeseburger you better bring one for me. Important call? Please, step outside and take the call. Im here to teach, not battle you over stupid shit. Also, if those are things you want or need to do how is it going to be beneficial to tell you know. You’ll either do it anyway and cause an issue I don’t want to deal with, or you’ll just keep thinking about the restroom/food/phone call anyway, and we will accomplish nothing.

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u/AmIFrosty Dec 01 '22

Former sub here- I tried my best to give my students bathroom dignity, but when I got a transfer who literally had a note on her Behavior Plan stating something like "Restrict bathroom time, student likes to roam school grounds instead", I had to adjust. Couldn't restrict just her, Couldn't give her the same dignity I gave the other highschool students. One student can literally ruin it for everyone. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

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u/MaXimillion_Zero Dec 02 '22

Why couldn't you restrict just her? Taking away privileges from those that abuse them isn't discrimination.

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u/leroydudley Dec 02 '22

group punishment sucks

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u/AngryRepublican Dec 02 '22

Similar situation I had as a teacher. I pull them aside and tell them not to ask unless its a real emergency, and ill call a hall aid to escort them.

No reason for group punishment. You can be discreet about it.

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u/SV650rider Dec 01 '22

For the students who abuse it, is it unreasonable to place the responsibility for their learning performance on them?

That is, all students are responsible for their grades. If the people who abuse your generosity go to the bathroom so much that they miss instruction, then that's on them.

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u/Insert_N4me Dec 01 '22

Well yes but no. I support your massage but it's often more complicated than that

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u/Equinox-XVI Dec 01 '22

Yep, especially since every teacher at the school I go to only has 1 hall pass for the whole class to use.

If one student needs to use the bathroom, everyone else has to wait. And if theres that one student who needs to go everyday, at the exact same time, for half of the class period, you sure bet other students are gonna give them some real flak for it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

i never understood that "hall pass" system

in my school, people just need to wait until 7:50 (the class just started) and not go after 9:30 (lunch) but they can go as soon as it hits 10:30

also, if a kid seriosly need to go to the bathroom of even just talk to the school manager, they can go without following the rule above

like once i was able to refill my water bottle every 10 minutes or so because i was suspect of having pre-diabetes

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u/neoclassical_bastard Dec 02 '22

It's so you can't go fuck around with your buddies and because it's difficult for the teacher to keep mental tabs on multiple students out at once. Makes sense for grade school, makes less sense for older kids.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

In theory that would be great. In practice as teachers we are responsible for their academic performance and behavior to a certain degree.

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u/Governmentwatchlist Dec 01 '22

It isn’t like that though. If kids leave your classroom and go disrupt other classrooms or are found to be making out somewhere the teacher is still ultimately responsible for them.

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u/LunDeus Dec 02 '22

Fr we've had numerous kids suspended/relocated permanently due to engaging in sexual acts in public while classes are in session because they coordinate via text after being caught on camera/by deans/peers. Middle School btw.

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u/SV650rider Dec 01 '22

I guess I didn’t realize that last part. Too used to the college situation.

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u/claryn Dec 01 '22

I would say this is 100% true for college, but K-12 is different.

The main thing I would say is if your student is leaving class all the time then something is wrong. You should try to fix the root cause of them leaving, not just force them to stay (easier said than done of course).

Second, we have parents and admin breathing down our necks. If a student is leaving all the time and missing instruction we’re expected to at least try to fix it; if we don’t it looks bad for our job performance.

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u/xdsm8 Dec 02 '22

The root cause of them leaving is not under our control. It has to deal with them being raised horribly at home.

Depending on the school, it can get atrocious. I've taught at several schools. At one, they tried an "unlimited hall pass" type of system for one week. Approximately 50% of the students left after being counted for attendance, then fucked around the hallways making tiktoks and doing fortnite dances.

I don't think people realize how few fucks k-12 students give these days. Redditors here are talking about students "being responsible for their education"? They can't be responsible for almost anything at all. Their parents are abuse, absent, or pushoevers. They spend ~10 hrs a day on their phones, willfully embracing the algorithms of social media. They were given unlimited ""grace"" (i.e. no due dates/accountability for 2 years). They honestly need to basically be strapped into their chairs and force-fed information just so that they can do basic math and reading by the time they graduate.

Students don't read books anymore, they google, copy, cheat, etc. They don't learn science anymore, they memorize 30 flash cards for 2 days by using a guide that their buddy from the grade above them gave them. Etc. etc.

All of this depends on the district, but it is worse than basically anyone who doesn't work in a school realizes.

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u/sablexorcist Dec 01 '22

Ex Student here, I would literally be sitting in class watching the teacher speak and I wouldn’t be paying attention. It’s not about the opportunities available to the student, it’s their will to learn. There were plenty of classes at my HS who wouldn’t allow students to use the restroom during class and I didn’t do any better in those than the ones who allowed it, I always found ways to ignore the class

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u/marqoose Dec 02 '22

The school I sub for has a system where kids have to sign out on an app on their Chromebook to leave class for any reason. It's really nice because I don't have to worry about it. Kids sign out to go, and if they're not coming back to class for 20 minutes or leaving classes 5 times a day, the VP talks to the kid.

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u/yukinolovesmusic Dec 01 '22

Wtf do you mean “was”? It still is and still happens

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u/-idontsleep Dec 01 '22

I don't recall students ever being denied the bathroom when I was in school, but we did have some sort of hall pass, bathroom pass, etc. A lot of teachers (especially in HS) had no desire to keep up with the official passes so they'd just give the student one of the random knickknacks on their desk.

One teacher hand a sign in/sign out sheet. She said don't bother asking for permission but just put your name and the times down so you can't get in trouble for wandering the halls.

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u/MusksMuskyBallsack Dec 01 '22

How else can they be conditioned to work at Amazon?

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u/krispyChris95 Dec 01 '22

I saw a mother with her maybe 6 years old son at the mall the other day urging him to wait to pee because she was talking to a salesman in the electronic department about to buy something. The toilet was less than 10 meters away and she finally brought him there when she was done. I felt sorry for the kid.

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u/ZeCerealKiller Dec 02 '22

I remember when I was 14, a girl in my class wanted to go and asked 3 times. Teacher said no and warned her she'll get a detention if she asks one more time.

She pissed herself. School gave her some old trousers from the lost and found and kept her throughout the day. Next day, both her lawyer parents showed up and raised hell with the principle.

We later found out she had some surgery before making her having difficulty controlling her bladder and need to go whenever she had to.

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u/sladeshied Dec 01 '22

I had a teacher who would give out 4 bathroom passes per semester (9 weeks) and said she would give us a bonus 100 on an assignment if we didn’t use any of the passes. Expecting students to hold in their bodily fluids and wastes for extra credit.

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u/Vivid-Formal-3938 Dec 01 '22

My current English teacher does this

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u/katalina0azul Dec 01 '22

Just curious - how much time do you have between classes? Is it even feasible to assume you could get from A-B and stop to use the bathroom in that allotted time?

I’m also curious what your English teacher would do/how they’d feel if the school gave them x bathroom breaks a semester 🤔 As an adult, I’ve never had to ask a single soul for permission to use the restroom so, I’m not really sure what the lesson is supposed to be other than a “hey, don’t just do this because you’re bored” kinda thing…?

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u/Vivid-Formal-3938 Dec 01 '22

Oh, now here's where things get funny. My school has 2 boys restrooms. Their used to be 7, but they closed the rest in an attempt to combat vaping. Of the 2 restrooms that are left, none of them have stall doors. You straight up can not take a shit in my school if your a dude. My passing periods are 4 minutes long, so not enough time to shit anyway. Need to piss? Good luck. You would be hard-pressed to find a bathroom without 15 dudes standing in a circle passing a vape. On another note, my English teacher gives us 3 bathroom breaks a year, in the form of little monopoly money looking sheets of paper. If you have them by the end of the year, you can return them for 10 points on a daily grade. I purposely failed his class so I could leave it, and I've only heard about how shitty he is now from other kids.

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u/NinjaMonkey4200 Dec 01 '22

Only 3 a YEAR?!? Damn, that is nowhere NEAR enough!

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u/Economy-Chicken-586 Dec 01 '22

This is the stupidest thing I’ve read today. Shutting down bathrooms to fight this stuff doesn’t work. Plus taking the stalls of doors can only be a bad thing.

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u/celf_help Dec 01 '22

just piss while you run to class, duh

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u/TangerineBand Dec 01 '22

We had 5 minute passing times and a three-story school with external buildings too. Going to the bathroom during passing time was a pipe dream

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u/vitam1ngummmies Dec 01 '22

I kinda would my grades are bad 😭😭

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u/aiQon Dec 01 '22

Malicious compliance: piss in a bottle in the classroom.

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u/dead_trim_mcgee1 Dec 01 '22

I got a detention for having a drink in French class once. Of course I didn't go and my mum argued the toss with the school when they tried to make me but I've always had issues with dehydration because i just forget to drink and I was deliberately trying to drink more and because I drank in my hour and a half without a break, requires you to talk a lot French class, I got in trouble

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u/_DemonHide_ Dec 01 '22

Teacher here, I allow my students to go pee when they want and drink water when they want my class (used to allow food that barely made sound but something went horribly wrong that one time so I banned eating during lessons). Anyway I have 3 exceptions on this rule and thus call them back/wont allow bathroom:

  1. When I’m explaining a vital part of information for the first time. (They have to hold max 5 minutes)

  2. I see that they abuse the rule (go A lot of times) (this falls away when I know they have something special/note from home or doctor)

  3. Just returned from recess and saying they have to go reallyyyyy badly (if you have to go badly now you had to 5 minutes ago during recess (yes I did allow this some years ago but then again an incident accord)) I will have them wait 5 minutes before I let them pee.

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u/jkw91 Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

Exactly this! I’m also a teacher and go by these rules. My added rule is if you are going to throw up don’t ask just go.

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u/PumpkinPatch404 Dec 01 '22

I remember I was about 7 and it was during gym class, and I really had to pee but the teacher told me to wait. I peed on my assigned seat (on the floor).

Then one day when I was 8, I had diarrhea (and we had a sub) and I asked to go to the bathroom, she said "but you just went 10 minutes ago" and then I shat on my chair. That was a fun day.

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u/Fast_Mechanic_5434 Dec 01 '22

Yeah, I pissed my pants in front of everyone in elementary school because I couldn't spell a word right and the teacher just didn't like me. Then I got to stand outside the classroom for everyone to see as a punishment for pissing my pants. Shit was fucked up.

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u/to95we Dec 01 '22

I had a teacher who forbade me to wear a jacket in class, even though it was winter. When I said „but I feel cold“, I had to leave class and stand in front of the door to „think about what I did“. Some teachers are just awful.

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u/SilverSkySurfer Dec 01 '22

Man's not hot.

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u/googlepest Dec 02 '22

Never hot

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u/MillennialDreams Dec 01 '22

It's barbaric. I had a friend in kindergarten who peed herself sitting in her seat because the teacher wouldn't let anyone go, we, as small children, were expected to hold it until lunch/recess. I still remember watching her shrink in her seat.

I heard another story of a teacher at a community college who made comments to a 20 or 30 something year old female student for going to the bathroom during his class. She calmly sat down and was silent for the rest of the class, only to tear him a new asshole after the class ended. She was pregnant and had to pee. He never bothered her again about it.

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u/haw35ome Dec 02 '22

When I was 11/12, I was constantly throwing up all day for weeks, loss of appetite, & very lethargic. We had no idea what the fuck was happening. Sometimes I couldn't go to the bathroom on time so I would just puke right then & there. Can't help it.

Anyway I had a bitch of a teacher right after lunch (yay), and she was a hardass about the bathroom, claiming that we had lots of time to go during lunch/recess. One fateful day I felt sick, so I asked her if I could go. Of course she said no, and me being the polite rule-following kid I stayed. What happened was that I kept quietly throwing up in small increments, pretending to blow my nose at the trash can each time. After probably the 5th time a kid noticed & loudly announced that I was throwing up.

Idiot teacher acted like a bomb had gone off. She immediately had everyone leave the classroom & frantically called a janitor over to clean up the wastebin. Finally, FINALLY, she let me go to the bathroom & even had my mom come pick me up. I was so embarrassed that it kinda made me stop puking but I went to the bathroom to hide in shame until my mom came. I hope she felt bad when a few weeks later I went to the hospital for a month for chronic kidney disease. Fuck you Mrs. Anderson

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u/Whalesurgeon Dec 01 '22

Joke's on you I was dehydrated all the time as a kid so I rarely had to go to the bathroom during class. I thought pee was meant to be yellow.

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u/worstusername55833 Dec 01 '22

I remember in elementary school we had only one pass, and therefore only one student could go at a time because they needed the one pass. A student took pretty long in the bathroom and I asked the teacher if I could just go since the bathroom was within sight. She told me to just wait a little longer for the pass to come back. I ended up pissing myself a few minutes later because the pass hadn’t come back yet. We had two passes after that.

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u/CriticalFeesh Dec 01 '22

I was very shocked that in my high school, teachers just let you drink water, freely. You'd have to ask for permission in primary school. And while yes, you'd always get permission, it was pretty akward to ask that as an introvert...

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u/Hunter422 Dec 01 '22

Did schools actually do this?? Never heard of it or experienced it where I'm from. I think we weren't allowed to eat during class tho.

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u/junorsky Dec 01 '22

Yeah, and I think it's okay if the teacher doesn't want to listen to your chewing while they're explaining things. But who the hell didn't allow kids to pee?? And where was that

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u/SnowyInuk Dec 01 '22

For me it was Ontario Canada (Catholic school)

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u/WhatTheFox_Says Dec 01 '22

Washington state and Texas for me. 90’s-early 2000’s

Edit: Also currently in Texas. Still like that at the local schools. Source. Have children.

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u/Yop_BombNA Dec 01 '22

As a teacher I just let attendance know they are gone if gone for more than 15 minutes.

Teachers are liable for kids safety during class and if some stupid kids are having a fight club in the school bathroom (more common than one might think in rough areas) then any injuries that occur the teacher is liable for. It isn’t necessarily bad teachers, it is shitty liability laws making them worry about legal action.

Some states/provinces allow a sign out / sign in sheet to shift liability to admin that monitors halls when students sign out to the washroom, some don’t.

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u/sladeshied Dec 01 '22

The “no-eating” part is in every school, I think. But the bathroom passes were usually given by the strict and hard-ass teachers at my school. Some of the cool teachers didn’t care.

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u/EmMeo Dec 02 '22

I’m really confused by this. We were allowed to eat during breaks and lunch but not during class. I don’t see the problem. There were of course exceptions made for medical reasons such a those with diabetes. From my understanding it sounds like the belief is kids should just be able to whip out food whenever they want?

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u/PrinceVincOnYT Dec 01 '22

Also proven to fuck with the kids development as a whole.

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u/sneakyveriniki Dec 02 '22

Nobody is mentioning the food part of this.

I was SOOOO hungry as a kid. I'm now a 28 yo woman and 5'3, 115 pounds. Eat probably 3,000 or so calories a day, literally typing this from burger king lol . I just have this super fast metabolism, idk. I cannot sit still, ever, undiagnosed ADHD probably. It was way faster when I was still growing. My parents are both way taller than me, I really think if I was able to just fkn eat when and as much as I wanted I'd be taller and probably like healthier/more symmetrical now. I was such a skinny kid. I ate normal amounts but I needed like twice that, and consistently. I could not understand why nobody would let me eat like a damned apple when I was hungry. I was always shaking and dizzy, just so hungry. Why were we never able to eat outside of these narrowly defined, designated meal times (snack if lucky)??? It was a power trip, I swear.

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u/manyuska85 Dec 01 '22

I have never understood this concept. It's an OSHA violation to stop a worker from going to the bathroom, but fuck the kids right.

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u/manyuska85 Dec 01 '22

Granted I wasn't born in the US, so I would never follow this rule. But I am so confused as to why Americans agree to this

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u/Glowing_Fox Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

I stopped drinking at school because of those rules so I didn’t need to go to the bathroom. BIG mistake, i had constant headaches and sore throat just because of some stupid rules .

Edit: adding a part for the no eating rule: i used to/still do, get huge stomach aches if I don’t eat anything for a specific amount of time and that rule was a huge pain to deal with.

Edit two: I think the stomach aches were caused by digestive issues meaning it was probably way worse for me to not eat during specific times.

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u/VeritasAgape Dec 01 '22

Purposely not letting a gifted kid pee before a special test he was being given to measure his giftedness, thus forcing him to rush through it, is messed up.

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u/shanghairolls99 Dec 02 '22

Is that the norm is the US?

Thats a genuine question. In our country we can go to the bathroom anytime (max 2 persons at a time) and for exams we were given enough time before we start.

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u/042732699 Dec 01 '22

Told this one before, but I just got up and left during class. Nature called when nature called. Got in trouble a lot, but I really didn’t care lol

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u/youretheweird1 Dec 01 '22

Everyone I know has a story about how they peed in class because the teacher wouldn't let them go.

TRAUMA. And so unnecessary!

Now jobs do this. I used to have 3-4 hrs between my breaks at Comcast. Let people urinate. Especially if they're hydrating, which everyone should be! Not to mention periods.

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u/PontificeMaximos Dec 01 '22

Do in front of the teacher to assert dominance.

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u/youretheweird1 Dec 01 '22

Two of them did. To prove a point.

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u/ExpertAccident Dec 02 '22

Holy shit based and brave

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u/seantellsyou Dec 02 '22

I did this when I was 8. It didn't feel like asserting dominance though. It was embarrassing. Something I remember from time to time now in my 30s. I should have just got up and left and went to the bathroom to truly assert dominance. But I was 8. But maybe if I had like stood up and stared her down while peeing and shouted out that this is her fault, it would have felt more like asserting dominance

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u/Salami_Supreme Dec 01 '22 Wholesome

I like that when you're 17 you need to ask permission to use the toilet but then you turn 18 and you're asked to pick a major that will define your life forever. Seems like a drastic leap

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u/throwawaffleaway Dec 01 '22

When I was 18 in college for the first time, I very slowly backed out of the room during lecture waiting for the professor to yell at me or ask where I was going. He was like “what are you doing?” And I said “I’m allowed to pee in college… right…?” Very seriously timid and he looked at me like I was crazy. Well sorry but 4 months ago I had to carry an obnoxious “woman” shaped block of wood around the hallways if I was allowed to go at all.

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u/Salami_Supreme Dec 01 '22

Lol that's so silly but I totally understand. You go from zero permissions to being able to do what you want whenever you want. Literally no one between. It's a shock

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u/NoirLuvve Dec 02 '22

My college professor laughed at a student for raising her hand to go use the restroom. The poor girl was a dual credit student and literally still in high school. She'd leave one school being treated like a 9 year old, and then show up to our class expected to act like a perfect adult.

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u/neoclassical_bastard Dec 02 '22

I teach training classes for new hires at work sometimes. I've had adults old enough to be my parents ask me permission to use the bathroom, which is kinda funny. I guess being in a classroom-type environment for the first time in decades is a weird experience.

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u/Soft_Instance Dec 01 '22

Or enlist and go to war.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

I had a teacher in middle school that was bad about bathroom passes. If girls tried to explain they needed to go because of their periods he would very loudly announce it (only took one or two girls each year before everyone learned not to ask)… asshole

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u/randuski Dec 01 '22

As someone with ibs,

Yea I'd say so.

If i gave less fucks as a kid i woulda dropped trow and shit on the floor

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u/Wonderful_Ad2298 Dec 01 '22

And people wonder why we have trust issues and problems with authority.

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u/dirtythirty1864 Dec 02 '22

Is fucked up. They still do it. While the kids are there, they belong to the school and the parents can't do shit about it.

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u/TheNerdMaster69 Dec 01 '22

Honestly, imagine thinking that you have any right to govern when your body needs to expel waste. That's like telling kids when they can breathe.

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u/Aggravating_Ad5989 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

I peed myself in PE after constantly asking to go to the toilet and being refused. I was about 7 at the time.

I puked all over my and my freinds exam papers after holding my hand up for 10+ minutes waiting for a teacher to let me go to the toilet to puke. I was about 11 at the time. I couldn't have just walked out, they would've voided my paper.

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u/Consistent-Bath9908 Dec 01 '22

not legal in Germany. tho it still happens

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u/ketaminiacOS Dec 01 '22

Yep it should be outlawed to prevent a student from going to the bathroom.

I could understand something like staying after school if they are doing their business for too long though.

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u/SnowyInuk Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

In grade 8 my period decided to start and I told my teacher I had to go to the bathroom. She just goes "you used your two bathroom breaks already. Sit down." I then tried to quietly tell her what was going on and that I had to go change and she said "well sorry, you used your breaks already. Sit. Down."

Ended up getting blood on my chair which ended in me being made to stay inside for recess to disinfect the chair, I got a lecture from her about hygiene and how I should have been wearing a pad in anticipation (I was extremely irregular at the time as they were just starting, there was no way to anticipate when it was going to happen) and I went to the office to call my mom for a new pair of pants. Once she got there I explained what happened and she lost her mind at the teacher and the principal and let me stay home for the rest of the week because she didn't want me going back to that class (it was a Tuesday so that was pretty damn great). I ended up getting moved out of that class and into the grade 7/8 split class for the rest of the year

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u/Artparkgallery Dec 01 '22

That sounds like a totally traumatic experience, Im so so sorry that happened. Your mom is the GOAT too, way to go man, mine would not have done that for me, always so freaking nice to see there are hella good parents out there :)

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u/SnowyInuk Dec 01 '22

In a way it was. Ever since that day I've had this weird paranoia that I have stains on the backs of my pants after I get up from sitting down even though I'm 24 lol but yes my mom was fantastic that day

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u/animellama1337 Dec 01 '22

I actually pissed my pants in elementary school due to this shit. Should I sue as an adult?

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u/Piniritongkandule Dec 01 '22

If you have tons of money, why not

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Definitely, Money matters

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u/Suspicious-Self2067 Dec 01 '22

A lot of us did. Some of us (however) were even less fortunate.

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u/KrimsonBun Dec 01 '22

same. I literally had a pocket in my backpack dedicated for spare underware

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u/Browne888 Dec 01 '22

I'll be teaching my kids to piss on their teachers if they ever try this shit.

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u/_DoctorQuantum_ Dec 01 '22

Me right now actually, but I'm 23 and work for a major healthcare company. I only get 3 times a day to use the BR.

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u/Gab83IMO Dec 02 '22

you'll run into that in everyday jobs....this ain't some new thing. I mean while we're on the subject, classes should be smaller and the entire curriculum needs to be updated from the 1950s bs. You literall exit high school with no real life skills.

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u/portlandlad123 Dec 02 '22

Uniforms, breaks, arbitrary rules, hierarchy of authority. While giving you just enough education to make you a useful idiot. It's all designed to make you a good obedient little worker.

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u/Valuable_Let_5037 Dec 01 '22

Kindergarten class teacher wouldn’t let me go while watching a movie it was dark and went to corner and went tried to be extra quiet but got caught and parents were called in 😆

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u/Mustagreewithyou Dec 01 '22

There were so many times where I peed myself in elementary school because of this.

Teachers just don’t trust students anymore.

Some say “they should focus in class more” little do they know making me hold my pee makes it really hard to focus

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u/ThighBiter1993 Dec 01 '22

And the teachers wonder why I couldn't finish my multiplication. My bladder was fucking full

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u/M-Rage Dec 02 '22

Teacher hint: If you let kids meet basic needs, they’re also more pleasant to be around.

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u/AndrysThorngage Dec 02 '22

I’m a middle school teacher. I have to time students and notify the office if they are gone for more than five minutes because a couple of kids were having sex in the bathroom. I don’t want to be in the position of controlling bathroom access, but here we are.

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u/ImagoLoop420 Dec 02 '22

A teacher when i was 14 denied me access to the toilet so I just shat infront of her, kept eye contact with her while placing one of the biggest dumps i ever took. Got suspended for 2weeks and our janitor broke down because of laughter, loved that guy

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u/One_Spoopy_Potato Dec 01 '22

Ikr?! The worst part is teachers that say "You go to the bathroom the same time everyday!" Like ya bitch, it's called being regular. Sorry all you eat is cheese and crackers!

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u/sladeshied Dec 01 '22

Had a teacher that would drink two cups of coffee every day. Then she would ask another teacher to monitor our class when she went to use it. But had the gall to give us bathroom passes.

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u/CampDifficult7887 Dec 01 '22

I don't think a teacher ever prevented me from going to the bathroom nor have I seen them do it to anyone .

I do think having to ask is humilliating and I can't believe this is actually a thing!

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u/IknowKarazy Dec 02 '22

I honestly wonder how many kids grow up with difficult feelings surrounding control over their own basic functions and needs because of this. Lots of people have eating disorders mainly centered on feelings of control.

Might even become extreme resentment of authority or an unhealthy, unthinking submission to it.

Not to mention, there is no way a kid can actually focus and learn if they’re desperately trying not to pee themselves. There is no reason to make them just sit there.

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u/Terrible_Indent Dec 02 '22

Multiple parents at my middle school complained to the school about their children ending up with bladder infections from having to hold their pee so much. It was bad. I found ways to sneak out of the cafeteria to go pee during lunch. 11 year olds don't need that shit.