r/meirl Feb 06 '23

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u/anythingMuchShorter Feb 06 '23

Their argument always seems to be that if everyone smelled no one would mind because it was normal. But that is like a lot of more comfortable things we do now than people in the past did.

If no seats had cushions we would never expect it, if homes were only kept warm or cool enough that you don’t die people would generally accept it. That doesn’t mean it’s not better.

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u/NadjaCravensworth Feb 06 '23

My mum says commuting on a train, in the summer in the 60s and 70s was truly awful. People would wear perfume and aftershave which just made the smell worse. She said it was a happy day when deodorant and proper antiperspirants were available.

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u/NadjaCravensworth Feb 06 '23

Pomanders... oranges studded with cloves was the best the Tudors could manage. Imagine that plus not bathing often. We've come a long way, baby... unless you're in a CEX, Comicon or Games Workshop anyway.

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u/XanderTheMander Feb 06 '23

If nobody wiped their ass then we wouldn't have a problem with it. Everybody would smell like shit so it would be normal. /s

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u/Desperate_for_Bacon Feb 06 '23

Wait you’re telling me people wipe there ass?

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u/Traditional_Cat_60 Feb 06 '23 Rocket Like

That was before the invention of the three shells.

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u/Just-looking6789 Feb 06 '23 I'll Drink to That

I wish I had an award for you...

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u/ShastaFern99 Feb 06 '23

Got you fam

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u/Wonderful_Horror7315 Feb 06 '23

The post I read just before this one featured a sign about not vomiting in a Tokyo Airbnb toilet. Obviously, the comments turned to poop and someone mentioned three seashells. I’m terrified to Google it.

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u/Jurani42 Feb 06 '23

He doesn’t know about the three shells LOL

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u/lordchaidoftea Feb 06 '23

Born to shit, forced to wipe

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u/AndrasKrigare Feb 06 '23

I also fail to see what the patriarchy has to do with it? Men also wear deodorant.

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u/Rand_Altreides Feb 06 '23

When all you have is a hammer

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u/NonSupportiveCup Feb 06 '23

A penis-shaped hammer.

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u/-Death-Dealer- Feb 06 '23

And no one complains more about BO than women do. Women are much more obsessed with smells than men are, in my personal experience. Patriarchy my ass!

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u/pinksparklyreddit Feb 06 '23

If everyone smelled, then someone would try and smell better so they could be the best smelling person

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u/Windows_66 Feb 06 '23

"If nobody used indoor plumbing, no one would ostracize people who poop in the street."

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u/Vinxian Feb 06 '23

I also feel like the person replying to oop hits it right on the money. Try going to any busy and poorly ventilated place in a world without deo. Im not looking forward to that.

The BO of a small group when ventilation is good is very doable, and probably would be accepted if it was the norm. But we don't live in that world

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u/jiwjh380 Feb 06 '23

Obviously the person who wrote this has never had to ride home on a bus full of teenagers after a sporting event.

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u/Hyedra Feb 06 '23

Or a crowded classroom in a public school in south America where A/C is a myth...

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u/TigreDeLosLlanos Feb 06 '23

That's why the government forbid summer. It's a shame it has a really huge problem enforcing it.

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u/olrg Feb 06 '23

Summer is a social construct

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u/Lopsided_Chemical862 Feb 06 '23

Made by the patriarchy 🤣

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u/_Comedy_ Feb 06 '23

Just like big deodorant

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u/Lopsided_Chemical862 Feb 06 '23

Big Deodorant lmao

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u/jrook777 Feb 06 '23

Lmao this fkn killed me 🤣🤣🤣

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u/drakoman Feb 06 '23

When they catch they responsible..

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u/Spuigles Feb 06 '23

Magic the Gathering Tournament. I survived. But at what cost

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u/AcanthisittaSalty492 Feb 06 '23

I came here to say this!!!! I played MTG in the mid-'90s to mid-2000s and went to a lot of tournaments where the use of soap and deodorant was rarer than the Power 9 cards. The stench in the room was unbearable at times.

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u/InuitOverIt Feb 06 '23

At my LGS the owner would walk around during rounds and spray room freshener. It didn't help.

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u/Comfortable_Honey628 Feb 06 '23

Ah yes, the delightful scent of sickly sweet sweat, foot funk, butt musk and ….a hint of lilac.

Game design courses in college weren’t much better either lol, but at least the teachers made the effort to open the windows to save our poor souls

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u/henry999c Feb 06 '23

Butt musk. Holy fuck my god lol!

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '23

Can confirm. I legitimately quit playing magic because of the stink. Like FNM is still a Friday event just take a shower first.

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u/Darth_Cartsalot Feb 06 '23

I'm glad Konami started cracking down on this year's ago.

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u/wubalubadubscrub Feb 06 '23

When I worked in a grocery store in high school, I could always tell when a certain coworker was approaching cause I could literally smell him from like 50 feet away

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u/DanCPAz Feb 06 '23

I remember reading somewhere that some players deliberately show up as ripe as possible to try to distract their opponents. People have trouble noticing their own stink and don't find it as offensive as others' even then, so it makes sense. Still, fuck those nasty SOBs. Just play the fucking game instead of trying nasty meta strategies. What's next... shit their pants to distract the enemy?

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u/sofia_flowerss Feb 06 '23

I was playing DND with some of my brothers friends. Oh lord I barely made it out alive.

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u/OddKSM Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23

I went to a WH40K "Meet'n'game'or'paint" and got to experience the bouquet otherwise absent from my group of somewhat well-adjusted nerd friends

Peace has made me soft, complacent. I had gotten used to drawing breath without inhaling flecks of human cheese.

But yet again my nasal receptors had to brace themselves for the horrors of war. That which had claimed so many of their brethren. Yet again they were made to steel their minds, kill their hearts, and prepare to bury their loved ones.

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u/sofia_flowerss Feb 06 '23

Both of my brothers play Warhammer40k, they're like obsessed with it. The mini painting and stuff is awesome and super impressive, but I literally have to ask them to PLEASE shower more than once a week

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u/HardCounter Feb 06 '23

Painting minis is all that matters now. There is no food, there is no water, there is no brush, there is no shower. There is only paint and minis.

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u/Spiciest_Boi Feb 06 '23 All-Seeing Upvote

They shall be my biggest boys, these men who give themselves to me. Like silly putty shall I mold them, and in highschool lockers shall I stuff them. They will be of iron will and flabby at best. In the biggest Walmart sweatpants shall I clad them, and with the sharpest mall katanas will they be armed. They will be untouched by women or temptation, no social life shall will hinder them. They will have read Sun Tzu's Art of War and reference it dubiously. They are my neckbeards, and they will paint minis.

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u/HardCounter Feb 06 '23

I would send my minis to the gates of hell for you.

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u/Very_Bad_Janet Feb 06 '23

How do you get the paint on the minis without a brush?

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u/HardCounter Feb 06 '23

A brush? A brush you say?! Mini artists use only artisan tools of the finest quality and craftmanship. Devices through which the inner creations funnels for all the world to see.

A brush is what harlots use in their haste for dignity over substance.

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u/Wuktrio Feb 06 '23

I mean, how are you gonna afford those plastic warriors if you are spending money on food or water?

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u/Robbotlove Feb 06 '23

Magic the Gathering Tournament.

I was playing DND

I went to a WH40K "Meet'n'game'or'paint"

god. why do we have the worst fucking people in our hobbies?

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u/lvlat Feb 06 '23

Add yugioh to the list. They had to add a rule to allow them to penalize players for being unhygienic…

I also had a roommate at the end of high school who used to purposely not shower for upto a week before going to MTG events. He claimed it was “psychological warfare”.

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u/nordic-nomad Feb 06 '23

Having run many events like this it’s not as bad as you think, or at least as it used to be. Maybe one in 1/100 you have to have a conversation with about hygiene. They have to go a while without bathing to stink a room up, but deodorant and doing laundry seem harder to get people to make habits because of the cost involved in addition to time.

Assholes aren’t usually a problem if you have a good set of rules and enforce them so jackwagons don’t accumulate and start to negatively influence each other.

But I find it helps to have those conversations if you’re the kind of store that doesn’t have stained and grungy 20 year old carpet or sun bleached games in the window. Otherwise you’re only going to attract one kind of nerd. And if all the stores in your area are like that that’s what your community is going to consist of.

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u/Esselon Feb 06 '23

This is why I never seek out random nerd events. I've always been huge into nerd stuff; I got into DnD as a kid in the early 90s, MTG when it was first really huge, been a gamer all my life, etc. etc.

Yet I was always thankful to be a well socially adjusted and hygenic nerd. Most of my nerdy friends are the same; sure we can sit around and play DnD for hours but then we might switch to discussing movies or music or food or politics. It's only when I've been in a new area and trying to make friends and stopped by a local gaming shop for an "Adventurer's League" game that I came across the incarnations of nerd stereotypes. Socially awkward, limited scope interests, often unhealthy lifestyles and various levels of body odor.

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u/LaAppleDonut Feb 06 '23

Back when DnD conventions were a thing (Living Greyhawk campaign), my partner & I would attend a few. (My partner & his gaming group actually ran one for 4 years straight.)

Anyway, it got to a point where all the DnD conventions would put rules about participants having to shower and use deodorant. They'd put the rules on the website telling about the convention, plus there'd be a reminder in the packets they'd get when they registered.

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u/IguanaTabarnak Feb 06 '23

I'm 100% convinced that the "unwashed nerd smell" is more due to a lack of butthole washing than a lack of deodorant/showers.

I've spent a fair amount of time around sweaty people and a fair amount of time around MTG/DND nerds. And yes, natural body odor can be pungent, but it's not THAT unpleasant and it's rarely stomach turning. The toxic cloud nerd, however, has a very specific scent that I am certain is accompanied by skidmarks.

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u/Optimal_Ad_3693 Feb 06 '23

Must say with magic the gathering it depends on which format my man, modern, nope everyone is mostly cleanly washed and smells nice, pauper, pioneer, commander no thanks will pass, I am at that stage of my life that I don't attend pre release anymore.

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u/Direct-krey Feb 06 '23

I'm reading this as a South American (Brazil) who just realised while reading this post that, I forgot to pass it on my way to school...

May my colleagues not notice.

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u/Lost_Temperature_613 Feb 06 '23

Grew up there now in Canada. I agree maybe the 'Patriarchy' bit is true who can tell who the hell invented it. But its not a made up problem. Sweat and fucking bad smells are real.

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u/AGVann Feb 06 '23

Men need it more than women too

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u/Downtown_Skill Feb 06 '23

Kind of random but apparently certain asian populations don't get B.O. deodorant and body wash is much less prevalent here in Vietnam. You can still buy it, it's just not as much of a necessity here.

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u/AGVann Feb 06 '23

Yep! Most East Asians don't have the ABCC11 gene which controls BO stink, and whether you have dry or wet ear wax.

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u/WinPeaks Feb 06 '23

Woah. What a great mutation. I'm jealous as shit.

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u/WobblyPhalanges Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23

Oh, oh shit, okay, so I’m whiter than a sheet of printer paper but I have dry af wax in my ears and unless I’m sick (e: or really stressed out) I don’t really get stanky super quickly, and now I know why o.O thank you stranger!

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u/AGVann Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23

Here's a tip from a fellow dry ear wax enjoyer: go to an Asian store that sells random household things, and you'll probably find some ear wax pickers/removers. Get some thin wooden ones to start with, and very gently scrape out the accrued ear wax inside your ear canal - you can do it by touch, and you don't have to go deep. It's especially effective after a shower and your ear is wet.

We can't use cotton buds to clean out our ears, it just pushes the wax deeper in. You'll have the most ear wax on the side that you lie on when you sleep.

I have a white friend who also has that gene mutation, and I cleaned out his ears for the first time in his life at the age of 24. I legit removed a clump of ear wax roughly the size of his thumbnail.

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u/smzt Feb 06 '23

Or a Magic the Gathering tournament at your local gaming store.

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u/Supercompositeman13 Feb 06 '23

Those buses smell regardless

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u/jiwjh380 Feb 06 '23

Yeah but fresh must on top of old is worse than just old.

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u/Streetlamp_NA Feb 06 '23

I do agree but for you to even make this comment is clear you haven't spend time around a bunch of wrestlers of football players. Football was especially bad bc not only did we stink so did all the pads.

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u/Alypius754 Feb 06 '23

Or an airport shuttle in Istanbul. My buddy started spraying Axe everywhere. Didn't help.

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u/Chainsaw_Viking Feb 06 '23

I imagine Axe would make it so much worse because you would be mixing the BO smell with the ‘teenage shame’ scent of Axe body spray.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '23

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u/Lord_Abort Feb 06 '23

Back when I was in college, kids would bomb dorm rooms by snapping the spray nozzle off of an Axe can, tossing it in, and holding the door closed.

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u/Alypius754 Feb 06 '23

LOL yes, it was 12 years ago, so it might not've been Axe, but it was still hilarious

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u/FlametopFred Feb 06 '23

some say the Axe particles are lingering there to this day

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u/Jelly_F_ish Feb 06 '23

Oh yeah, instead of it only smelling badly it now also hurts my nose. What a win!

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u/RakeishSPV Feb 06 '23

How did they post this when Lynx body spray is literally a meme itself?

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u/Ornery_Bug_4108 Feb 06 '23

Or come to a Magic: The Gathering tourney.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Feb 06 '23

I'm just going to hijack the top comment since It's clear nobody is reading the article and it's getting a little cringy in here with everybody jumping at the chance to shit on what they think this weird "feminist message" is trying to say. Spoiler alert, it's not at all what you're assuming:

The article talks about deodorants being marketed to women in place of antiperspirants (former covers smell, latter stops sweating from happening at all).

A bunch of (now debunked) chain emails circulated in the 2000s about how aluminum in antiperspirants was the leading cause of breast cancer, causing companies to start marketing "aluminum free" products (this was just regular deodorant like men already have.)

Personal care startups like Myro, Humankind, and Megababe offer deodorants sold around their aluminum-free or “natural” properties, and no antiperspirants at all. Megababe’s Rosy Pits deodorant had a 5,000-person waitlist last summer. Luxury makeup brands like Tarte now offer deodorant too, using the absence of a chemical as part of a justification for a high-price point; I ordered a $14 Clean Queen stick to wear while reporting this. The question is: Is the current rise of deodorant offerings good? Or are we living in an email scam gone off the rails?

But the marketing that women sweating = gross and ungirly still exists even though the aluminum causes breast cancer thing has been debunked

“This story never dies,” says Perry Romanowski, a cosmetic chemist who authored an explainer for his podcast The Beauty Brains. “It’s much more interesting to be afraid of stuff.”

She summarizes the point she's making well at the end of the article:

But given those early ads, it is correct to be suspicious of the entire concept of paying for an antiperspirant to make you stop the, well, natural act of sweating. If the initial claim for this aluminum concoction is “use it or be unlovable,” well, the claim against it must also be equally strong. Which is why claims that antiperspirants are “dangerous” can be so appealing. This is the kind of message that is more difficult to push back on than a more amorphous “no, I am lovable, even if I sweat.” It is a hell of a lot easier to explain, and to market, because it still buys into the fundamental concept that we should pay for a product to make ourselves smell a little bit better. Resistance to antiperspirant, well-meaning in spirit and misguided in its specific arguments, has landed women in the same place that we started, paying to smell nice, and perhaps paying even more than before, because deodorants marketed to women still tend to cost more than antiperspirant.

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u/Nulono Feb 06 '23

So deodorants are bad because they're based on a lie about breast cancer, but antiperspirants are bad because "sweating is natural and not gross"?

Newsflash: A lot of stuff is natural and also gross.

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u/Desperate_for_Bacon Feb 06 '23

Like buttholes.

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u/darshfloxington Feb 06 '23

Hey you put my butthole back in your mouth!

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u/phrankygee Feb 06 '23

I’m a man. I wear antiperspirant marketed to men. Sometimes, I borrow my wife’s antiperspirant, marketed to women. Occasionally I have accidentally bought non-antiperspirant deodorant, also marketed to men, and found it entirely ineffective at controlling my stench.

Both men and women should wear antiperspirant if they like it and want to, and “deodorant” instead if they think it fits their needs better. Gender needn’t be a factor.

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u/LiesInRuins Feb 06 '23

I go galaxy brain and buy the antiperspirant and deodorant combo.

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u/Skitty27 Feb 06 '23

we shouldn't wipe, skidmarks are natural

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u/Dezoet88 Feb 06 '23

Yeah, the article makes no sense, its trying to make two different points.

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u/help-some-problem Feb 06 '23

Shh, dont break them out of their bubble

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u/ChadMcRad Feb 06 '23

There's no bubble. They made an inflammatory headline that people ran with, someone said they misinterpreted it because they hate women, apparently, but the actual interpretation isn't any better.

Rinse and repeat. Welcome to Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '23

i read the article. it's an advertisement for deodorant in the guise of a feminist critique of deodorant with literal links to the all natural deodorant the author is advertising.

it's all good though because her boyfriend confirmed he didn't notice she changed from an anti-perspirant to the all natural deodorant that costs $14 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

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u/indorock Feb 06 '23

I read all that, and it's still bullshit. The unappealing nature of body odour is absolutely undeniable, but having dark stains under your arms from sweat - whether or not they stink - can also be very undesirable and embarrassing regardless the gender.

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u/QuantumTea Feb 06 '23

That’s valid, but when the author gives their article a grossly misleading title it’s kind of their own fault when people take it at face value.

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u/cowarj Feb 06 '23

Authors don't usually title their own pieces, it's usually an editor. They sometimes have a say in it but not always.

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u/QuantumTea Feb 06 '23

I guess that’s on the editor then, but I think my point remains valid.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Feb 06 '23

This is the actual name of the article:

Let It All Sweat Out: Natural deodorants are on the rise, mostly thanks to completely unwarranted fears about antiperspirants. But sweating is fine.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/rise-of-all-natural-deodorants-not-necessary-sweating-antiperspirant.html

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u/QuantumTea Feb 06 '23

The tweet was sort of serving as the title in this case and it’s really misleading.

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u/FuckFashMods Feb 06 '23

Deodorants Are a Scam, but Honestly, Antiperspirants Are a Scam Too

It looks like this is the title tbh

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u/DummyThicccThrowaway Feb 06 '23

I'm confused because was the idea of antiperspirants marketed only to women first? Because as long as I've remembered, I've gotten antiperspirants too, as a man, and it's definitely nasty for a man to be sweaty too. You ever seen sweaty man pits? Bleh.

Unfortunately at some point I started getting rashes to the old spice antiperspirants, so I just use their nice smelling deodorant now.

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u/teenypanini Feb 06 '23

All I know is that when I use aluminum based antiperspirant my pits itch like fuck and sometimes it clogs up my sweat glands so bad it feels like a little tumor forming. And it still somehow doesn't stop me from sweating. Aluminum on yer skin sucks ass.

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u/Hao_end Feb 06 '23

Anti-perspirant clogs your sweat pores, that’s how they work. Regular deodorant is the way to go. Everyone sweats, no shame in that.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Feb 06 '23

Everyone sweats, sure, but some of us have the misfortune of inheriting a genetic predisposition to sweating way more than we could ever possibly need.

I use clinical-strength antiperspirant twice a day, every day. Have to always dress in multiple layers of breathable clothing that I can easily remove; I’ve gotten weird looks in the past while walking to class in just a tank top and gloves (well, and jeans and all that) in the middle of winter; I was somehow still sweating buckets!

I have to forego wearing a lot of nice outfits because I know they’ll make me sweat more, and makeup is reserved for job interviews and immediately removed afterwards.

I’ve frequently had to add antiperspirant under my breasts as well.

Articles like the one posted here always elicit an annoyed groan from me. Oh, I wish I could just do without antiperspirant! I really do!

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u/phrankygee Feb 06 '23

I’ve frequently had to add antiperspirant under my breasts as well.

I’m a guy, and sometimes I just paint a line down my torso from my collarbone to my pelvis to stop the “soak line” front becoming too visible through my clothes.

Sounds like you have it even worse. I’m sorry, that sucks.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Feb 06 '23

Exactly, you just summarized what the actual article says lol

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u/delciotto Feb 06 '23

It felt like my body just tried to sweat more to compensate. I stopped using it and switched to normal deodorant and didn't notice a change in the amount of sweat.

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u/Colddustfox Feb 06 '23

I need deodorant. I’m trying to smell like coconuts, not BO and asshole.

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u/Alypius754 Feb 06 '23

...where exactly are you putting your deodorant?

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u/RonMFCadillac Feb 06 '23

Don't discount antiperspirant deodorant on your rubbing inner thigh on a sweaty day.

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u/Glyfen Feb 06 '23

This, I can 110% confirm this.

I'm a thick lad, always have been. I don't do well in heat and when I sweat, it smells like the swamps of Dagobah. I'm extremely self conscious about it, so I regularly hit my inner thighs and groin with an antiperspirant deodorant. It makes a huge difference. Prefer it to baby powder.

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u/hunthell Feb 06 '23

Gold Bond is your friend. Get the powder in the gold bottle. DO NOT use the blue bottle Gold Bond on your nuts.

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u/Appropriate-Skill-60 Feb 06 '23

Yeah, the yellow bottle feels like angels whispering sweet nothings across your nutsack. The blue bottle? Not so much.

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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 Feb 06 '23

I’m very curious what the difference is and what the blue bottle feels like now.

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u/hexuus Feb 06 '23

The blue is medicated so it provides a cooling tingling sensation. If you rub it downstairs there is a chance it will burn.

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u/jack121013 Feb 06 '23

Try it. For science

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u/CutHerOff Feb 06 '23

Feels like icy hot

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u/SPOTremovr Feb 06 '23

There are three tiers all contain menthol for the cooling effect. Yellow is the low tier angels whispering to your sack, Green is intense shouting at your sack and Blue is marketed as a foot ONLY powder which is like angels speedbagging your sack. Not for everyone but I find the green is the sweet spot.

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u/DisposableSaviour Feb 06 '23

Yellow is a nice cool breeze on the boys.
Green is Elsa from Frozen gargling on your grapes.
Blue is a pissed of Jack Frost seizing you by the scrote.

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u/Legacy1776 Feb 06 '23

I like blue bottle Gold Bond-ing my nuts tho.

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u/leanlikeakickstand Feb 06 '23

For heavy sweaters gold bond turns to pancake batter

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u/FuzzychestOG Feb 06 '23

Do not do this! It burns 🔥

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u/Absolute_Bias Feb 06 '23

Inner thigh, not asshole itself, and you’re good

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u/PirateReindeer Feb 06 '23

Depends on how sensitive you are, Ive come across a few I can put on my hole and when I have a silent fart, everyone wonders where the air freshener is.

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u/Colddustfox Feb 06 '23

I mean I have a deodorant that’s full body. It comes with a cream you can use. So I’m putting it exactly where you think. 😂

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u/Alypius754 Feb 06 '23

LMAO

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u/Colddustfox Feb 06 '23

No lie though, like up Lume! You can put it every where!

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u/Legal-Ad7793 Feb 06 '23

I have that! Great for the underboob sweat too. Use the lotion on your feet...

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u/Nahe Feb 06 '23

Honestly anti-perspirant works everywhere. Even a sweaty butt/crotch

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u/Colddustfox Feb 06 '23

Yes it does, and under the boobies!

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u/Phaze357 Feb 06 '23

Wait, it's shaped that way to go in the butt crack... right?

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u/Garage_Sloth Feb 06 '23

That's why you always use gel deodorant.

It seeps.

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u/ElHammerhead Feb 06 '23

One pass under each arm and two between the cheeks

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u/seraphaye Feb 06 '23

Lol "fake problem" guess they don't shower either

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u/Colddustfox Feb 06 '23

Right? Weird thing to call a “fake problem” lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '23

I shave my pits so deodorant works better, idk how people can go without using it, I can't stand my own BO

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u/OkHeheLmao Feb 06 '23

how is your stinky pits a fake problem?

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u/jiwjh380 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23

Women are beautiful and their musk is natural. a company in 1839 decided to demonizes hairy sweaty Womens pits to make money. And everyone just went with it. Slowly making people hate the smell of female bo.

Edit sorry forgot this . /s

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u/mrarmyant Feb 06 '23

I also hate the smell of goat BO. Was that our corporate overlords, too?

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u/somedood567 Feb 06 '23

Yep. Them again

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u/HardCounter Feb 06 '23

Nefarious. How involved are they in kitty litter?

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u/Few_Assistant_9954 Feb 06 '23

They straight up invented those.

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u/cowarj Feb 06 '23

The 'fake problem' they talk about is claims in the 90s that antiperspirants with aluminium in them caused breast cancer. Not BO itself.

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u/FREAKFJ Feb 06 '23

So then what does that have to do with the patriarchy?

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u/OneMinuteDeen Feb 06 '23

Uh… because… hm. I don't know actually.

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u/No-Anybody-1007 Feb 06 '23

Easy! The patriarchy controls everything, and as such is obviously at fault for everything,

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u/minkipinki100 Feb 06 '23

The patriarchy has become a buzzword you can blame whenever something doesn't work the way you want it to

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u/WooperSlim Feb 06 '23

I decided to look at the article. The fake problem was that anti-perspirants cause breast cancer—they don't. Sweat does not "purge toxins."

But this created a demand among women for deodorant, and according to the article writer, big brands began making deodorant marketed toward women, previously only selling "mostly or exclusively antiperspirant, with deodorant offerings generally being geared toward men."

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u/zuzg Feb 06 '23

Snopes uses 2 studies for that claim but a Systematic Review of those studies concluded

Our comprehensive search has identified an insufficient number of studies to conduct a quantitative review and obtain reliable results. Further prospective studies are strongly needed.

It's safe to say, don't use antiperspirants when you shave your armpits. Cause that's what causing the risk of aluminum being able to enter your body.

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u/MiscalculatedRisk Feb 06 '23

I wish it was a fake problem.

I'm allergic to aluminum salts and scents, which are what make deodorant work well.

Can't use baby powder because I sweat too much for it to work long enough.

The cheapest sticks that don't have scents or salts are 12+$ and are tiny sticks, its literally cheaper to just avoid people and it sucks.

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u/ErraticDragon Feb 06 '23

its literally cheaper to just avoid people and it sucks

I mean, this is true of things like clothes and transportation as well.

It does suck to have to pay more than other people to get probably-not-as-effective coverage, though.

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u/Speedbump_ Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23 Wearing is Caring

Arm and Hammer has an aluminum free non scented deodorant, do you know if that one would work for you? Usually around $5 and pretty fair size.

https://www.armandhammer.com/en/personal-care/deodorant-and-antiperspirant/deodorants/essentials-solid-deodorant-unscented-2-5-oz

And the ingredient list because they make it a pain to find: https://churchdwight.com/ingredient-disclosure/antiperspirant-deodorant/42013629-Natural-Deodorizers-Unscented.aspx

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u/archieirl Feb 06 '23

i hope they update because i'm really interested to see if it worked for them

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u/MiscalculatedRisk Feb 06 '23

I wondered if they had made one, they carry scented A&H at the stores here, ill likely have to order it.

Thanks.

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u/marshmallowlips Feb 06 '23

I love their scented ones, so cheap and works really well. I hope your suggestion works for them!

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u/ghettodabber Feb 06 '23

Just put some hand sanitizer on your pits throughout the day, it kills the bacteria that stinks.

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u/ConcernedKip Feb 06 '23

sounds like youre looking at antiperspirants and not just plain ole deodorant.

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u/ghastrimsen Feb 06 '23

As someone who sweats heavily, deodorant just doesn’t cut it. I can sit in an air conditioned room for an hour and the pits on my shirt are drenched and raising my arm is embarrassing. Antiperspirant doesn’t even help that much really, but it’s a bit better at least.

Honestly, this has gotten a lot better over time, but I went through over 10 years of just constant pit sweating.

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u/alissandra_ Feb 06 '23

Applying glycolic acid to your armpits takes care of the odor. Read into it, it’s awesome and works for me and many of my friends. The brand “The Ordinary” makes a good, affordable GA product.

Also, if you are female, daily Spironolactone reduces odor and sweat. I took it for years and completely stopped underarm sweating. This messes with your hormones though so it’s a very iffy commitment.

Another option is laser treatments for underarms. I and a few of my friends had underarm laser hair removal and noticed a reduction in sweat and odor. There are laser options that do not remove your hair as well. Botox can reduce sweating too but it wears off within months.

Good luck! It is indeed frustrating but fortunately there are some potential solutions :)

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u/Odd_Entertainment629 Feb 06 '23

Can smell the person who wrote this article thru the screen

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u/WritingTheRongs Feb 06 '23

That’s hilarious but I’m worried for you that your phone screen smells like BO

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u/Startled_Pancakes Feb 06 '23

Maybe it's SMELL-O-VISION (tm)!

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u/Cumity Feb 06 '23

I love how they think it is an issue created by the patriarchy but fail to realize men probably have worse bo on average

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u/ozonejl Feb 06 '23

Yeah, my wife could go without a lot of the time, but if I forget in the morning, things are not good by noon. My son’s little boy pals are stinky AF. However, he smells good because I as a cog in the patriarchy have required nightly showers and baths his whole life.

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u/diseasealert Feb 06 '23

With soap? You monster.

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u/GalacticShoestring Feb 06 '23

🤣 I laughed at that last sentence. Some real Dad humor right there!

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u/civodar Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23

It was marketed towards woman exclusively when it first came out. The ads featured things like men making fun of women for smelling or said things like “you’ll never find love because you don’t use deodorant”. It’s weird because like you said men do typically smell worse.

Here’s are some example of ads:

https://imgur.com/a/L82Mw2s

And here’s an article about it that has even more examples:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-advertisers-convinced-americans-they-smelled-bad-12552404/

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '23

Improving your scent has existed for centuries. instead of deodorant we just rubbed oils on ourselves. Maybe deodorant was marketed for women first but we as humans have often covered our own scent regardless of sex.

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u/civodar Feb 06 '23

The article mentions that, how back in the day people changed their underclothes often and wore perfume to cover their smell. It’s more so about the marketing campaign of deodorant.

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u/Remarkable-Book-8758 Feb 06 '23

Body odour is not fake. It's very real and deodorant is very necessary

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u/Far_Dimension_2407 Feb 06 '23

People invented perfume back in 2,000 BC because they couldn't stand eachothers BO...

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u/MrsMiterSaw Feb 06 '23

All those paintings of the founding fathers with handkerchiefs? Perfumed so they could cover their noses when people stunk at the end of the day in a room in July in Philly.

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u/BlorseTheHorse Feb 06 '23

ah yes, the smell of a philly afternoon, pork roll sandwich from the deli, the smell of the rubber stickball ball, the tar smell, the reeking bo from those playing,

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u/Stormchaserelite13 Feb 06 '23

At my local anime convention they have security for two things. Swords and body odor. They luckily dont let anyone in with a sent to strong in either direction.

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u/jerry-jim-bob Feb 06 '23

Fellas, is it sexist to want to smell nice?

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u/middleagedstudent Feb 06 '23

But you are a ho

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u/Das_Solenya Feb 06 '23

As a grown ass man, who used to be a STANKIN Ass Teen, this is a lie. I desperately needed Deo as a Teen, no matter how good of a shower I took. People, use deo, ya pits be nasty.

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u/waddlekins Feb 06 '23

A teenage boy got on the bus i was on and i couldnt believe how bad he smelt, like my god i dont remember my guy friends smelling THAT bad when we were in high school

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u/Das_Solenya Feb 06 '23

Well that's because MOST of us dudes know how to care for ourselves. Then you get some like my Step brother, who I avoid like he has the plague, because he REEKS from across the room. There's no chance that kid actually washes himself, let alone uses deodorant.

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u/AkaiDeLunaTix Feb 06 '23

I legitimately laughed at this. “Stankin ass teen” with “Stankin” in all caps is WILLLDDD 😭😂

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u/mtempissmith Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23

You don't have to attend a convention. Just ride a bus or subway at rush hour without a mask. Anyone who has been stuck standing next to or under someone's non deodorized armpit can tell you that people using deodorant and bathing or showering regularly is a blessing to all human kind.

As someone who is very short and who has a very sensitive sense of smell I absolutely thank everyone who is so kind as to do both. I have been known to nearly puke from the smell of unwashed, smelly armpit odor because I was stuck too close to a human who apparently does not believe in using deodorant or bathing or showering regularly.

It is no joke to me.

I absolutely love deodorant and bless whoever first came up with a formula that actually works. I cannot even imagine living in a time where people didn't use it. What an excruciatingly stinky world that must have been!

Fake problem? You must be joking or deluded to think that's a valid statement. Either than or you have zero sense of smell and have no idea of how rank unwashed, non deodorant wearing humans can smell.

👅

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u/TheLaughingAvatar Feb 06 '23

One of my nostrils is always blocked at the very least and I seem to hardly inhale so 🤷😁

That said, old people sometimes...

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u/sennbat Feb 06 '23

I honestly think people overestimate how necessary deodorant is under normal circumstances. For just everyday activity, showering is generally enough. For exercising or being out in the heat, its great... but the biggest problem is the people likely to skip deodorant are the ones who aren't showering regularly to begin with. And doing neither is an express train to funk town.

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u/nonotan Feb 06 '23

Ehh... there's some genetic component to it for sure, but I can tell you if I shower in the morning and I don't put on deodorant, my armpits will 100% stink 2-3 hours later -- enough for myself to clearly notice through my clothes. Even if I literally didn't exert myself in any way whatsoever, and just sat still in a cool room, wearing well-ventilated and not too warm clothes. Unless I take a shower every couple hours, all day, every day, my options are to put on deodorant or stink.

And unfortunately, it seems like not everyone's sense of smell is good enough to realize that they stink; either that, or they figure they only notice it because they are in constant proximity to themselves, and other people won't really notice. Alas, others do notice. I've had 4 or 5 coworkers over the years who by all appearances seemed to have adequate enough hygiene (one would even show up with hair still a bit damp from the shower in the morning), but holy fucking shit did they smell absolutely horrendous. Both men and women. One time one of them sat next to me for a few months, and it was absolute hell every day (I'm too anxious and conflict avoidant to confront people about their stink, okay?)

I guess my point is, you probably shouldn't be telling people what effectively amounts to "if you don't exercise you can skip the deodorant". It's possible that is indeed true for you, I know some people naturally have little to no BO, in which case, congrats on winning the genetic lottery? But for many people (wouldn't be surprised if it was the majority, but hard to say), that's absolutely not true, so that statement should probably at least be quite a bit more qualified ("try not wearing deodorant all day on a cool day you won't exert yourself at all, and ask a close friend to give you an honest opinion... it could be that you could skip deodorant most of the time and be just fine!" would be a more reasonable take)

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u/Aromatic_Society4302 Feb 06 '23

The sheer amount of redditors claiming they don't shower or stink is exactly why Magic the Gathering tournaments smell like hog barns.

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u/purplePandaThis Feb 06 '23

Rotting onions: My favorite body odor. I love it almost as much as my girl loves sweaty smelling balls. I guarantee op loves it too.

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u/MikesRockafellersubs Feb 06 '23

Man knows facts

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '23

There is nothing fake about body odour

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u/BuckRusty Feb 06 '23

The response is bullshit.

I’ve been to anime conventions back in the day - and those fucks stink because they don’t shower. It’s easy to know this, as the smell is deodorant over rancid BO.

Deodorant is like using a bit of masking tape to plug a hole in a dam if the wearer isn’t showering daily.

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u/whoknewidlikeit Feb 06 '23

ever been to Turkey? the "deodorant bad" idea will vanish right quick.

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u/Cause0 Feb 06 '23

The article title and the tweet are saying different things lol. The article specifies all natural deodorant, which is completely different from all deodorant

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u/AndreLeo Feb 06 '23

I checked the article. Honestly it seems more like an huge ass ad to promote tarte clean queen vegan deodorant

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u/121scoville Feb 06 '23

I feel crazy lol like this isn't even a "didn't click into the article" thing, the text is right there in the image.

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u/BriscoCountyJR23 Feb 06 '23

TIL that body odor was invented by the patriarchy.

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u/Ehcksit Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23

They remove the first few words from the real headline to make the new headline worse, all to make people angry about an article that's actually good. Anger drives engagement.

All Natural deodorants are a scam. They charge you more for nothing useful. Antiperspirants are also usually a scam. You need to sweat to cool down. If you're not sweating under your arms you'll sweat more somewhere else. Only people who sweat more than normal need that.

Regular deodorants are fine.

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u/Arcon1337 Feb 06 '23

Oh dear, do they really need to always blame everything on the patriarchy?

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u/trip2it Feb 06 '23

Metal shows.....

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u/Equinox-XVI Feb 06 '23

Anime convention? My brother in Christ, have you ever been to a Smash tournament? I swear some of the people there haven't showered in weeks

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u/pm-me-plants-moss Feb 06 '23

No I think at one point someone was like “know what? ya’ll fucking stink” and invented deodorant

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u/fsfaith Feb 06 '23

The writer probably thinks bathing is a scam too.