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u/Zekiz4ever Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Employee #427's job was simple: he sat at his desk in Room 427 and he pushed buttons on a keyboard
Orders came to him through a monitor on his desk telling him what buttons to push, how long to push them, and in what order.
This is what Employee #427 did every day of every month of every year, and although others may have considered it soul rending,
Stanley relished every moment that the orders came in, as though he had been made exactly for this job.
And Stanley was happy.
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Well, maybe Stanley found his fulfillment :)
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u/SoE44 Feb 06 '23
What’s this from?
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u/---Ka1--- Feb 06 '23
A game called The Stanley Parable. It's a true gem of a game. If you like a good story then it's for you.
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u/MandatoryMahi Feb 06 '23
To add to what the other commenter said, it's a very refreshing "fourth wall"-breaking game. Not an over the top way like a Deadpool movie would be, but more of a breathing slightly harder out of your nose type of game with the jokes that are made.
If me_irl were a video game, it would be The Stanley Parable.
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u/TheArmoredKitten Feb 06 '23
The Stanley Parable. It's more interactive art experience than "game", but it's absolutely worth it. It's on Steam.
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u/Watcher_of_Waves Feb 06 '23
Who here read the Taliban post about them also hating the 9-5 life?
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u/anexistentuser Feb 06 '23
That was fucking hilarious, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them wished we were still fighting them so that they wouldn’t have these new, boring jobs.
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u/AWholeSweetPotato Feb 06 '23
Don’t know how fulfilled our lives can be if we’re too busy working a desk job to go horse riding with the boys!
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u/kenn714 Feb 06 '23
I saw that post, and I was envisioning the Office, but a spinoff set in Afghanistan under a Taliban government.
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u/Capybara_Fanboi Feb 07 '23
The aesthetic of central-South asian lower public offices is so depressing and unique , which cannot be felt anywhere else. Offices in rural Americana or Indian reservations may come close but they're still far ahead of them. They're like four seasons compared to the hellhole these offices are.
Creaky fan , bad plumbing, leaky faucet, the musty smell of copious amounts of bureaucratic paperwork, workers who don't bother to work anymore and are on WhatsApp all day with no regard for anyone else when playing loud music. No one here knows what headphones are. Illiterates knocking on your door all day , because they need help with their paperwork exacerbating your heart disease. An old TV or radio running on the background .
You go home and you beat your wife and kids up , eat, drink, sleep and repeat.
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u/im-sh Feb 06 '23
and ppl said the warhammer40k universe is a bad place to live in
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u/Astroyanlad Feb 06 '23
Better to die for the emperor then live for yourself
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u/officefridge Feb 06 '23
Vikingr: better to die for fun (takes mushrooms, gets naked, takes two axes, goes berzerk) https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/battle-stamford-bridge-vikings/
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u/Astroyanlad Feb 06 '23
I need to start watching 2nd season of Vinland saga
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u/scratch_post Feb 06 '23
Viktor has had a mental break and is now consuming large amounts of drugs
Psychic done: Male
Viktor is now beserek
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u/Panzerjaegar Feb 06 '23
It's all manual labor in the imperium of man since artificial intelligence and engineering progress is expressly forbidden
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u/Squid_squabbler72 Feb 06 '23
I wish i was a tyranid so i could just eat and dont think and be happy
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u/maximoantolini22 Feb 06 '23
So you'd rather live in a mega farm working back breaking physical labour 24/7 than do a 9/5 job?
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u/ExoticMeatDealer Feb 06 '23
People are making money so that means we’re happy, right? Right, I said?!
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u/teejay_the_exhausted Feb 06 '23
You guys are making money?
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u/allgreen2me Feb 06 '23
For someone else yeah.
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u/DDTKong Feb 06 '23
Do you not feel fulfilled?!
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u/Josselin17 evil SJW stealing your freedom Feb 06 '23
making money for the investors and the bosses yeah
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u/mayo-instrument Feb 06 '23
It's not the money, it's buying useless stuff that makes people happy, for about 10 seconds, then working 10 hours for the next useless thing. Circle of life.
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u/NotAlwaysSunnyInFL Feb 06 '23
Also having to spend 1/4 of your paycheck on shitty healthcare, U.S. anyway..
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u/Sterffington Feb 06 '23
Haha, actually paying for healthcare. The trick is to just go into severe debt.
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u/NotAlwaysSunnyInFL Feb 06 '23
Student loans help with that before you can even afford healthcare.
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u/tomismybuddy Feb 06 '23
Guys, I’m starting to think maybe the US isn’t “the greatest country on earth”.
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u/Jpolkt Feb 06 '23
It’s not “1/4 of your paycheck on shitty healthcare”.
It’s “1/4 of your paycheck to some company that gatekeeps your ability to get healthcare (that you’ll then need to pay for)”.
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u/Generationhodl Feb 06 '23
it's buying nice food and enjoying hobbys and social meet ups with friends what makes me happy. Visiting new places with your money, going to new countries. And I like to go to work to afford that stuff. Of course you can view everything with a negative worldview and screw up your own life / head.
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u/newsflashjackass Feb 06 '23
A 2009 study based on interviews of over 4,000 low wage workers in Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City found that wage theft from low wage workers in large cities in the United States was severe and widespread. ... Sixty-eight percent of the surveyed workers experienced at least one pay-related violation in the week prior to the survey.
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u/segosmix Feb 06 '23
Ah yes, visiting other countries during the 20 out of 365 days of the year you're allowed to.
Or enjoying hobbies for 2 hours of the 24 hour day because you spend 8 working, 8 sleeping, 4 eating and doing chores, and 2 mindlessly scrolling through reddit.
Or seeing friends during 1 day of the 7 week because the other free day you have you need to use it to do whatever things you can't do during the week because you need to work for most of the day.
It's so good that a whole 2% of our time we're free to do whatever we want
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u/monsterrooster Feb 06 '23
Maybe start with cutting of the use of reddit 2 hours a day.
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u/segosmix Feb 06 '23
Yeah and not buying frappucchinos will save you enough money to buy a house, right? Let's not tackle the 1/3 of the problem, just the 8%?
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u/jon_mox_jet Feb 06 '23
Well then I'm sorry to tell you that workers had significantly more free time and their money had significantly more buying power in the past.
It's not a "negative worldview" to observe that things are objectively getting worse.
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u/MasterOf-Muppets Feb 06 '23
“Everything’s good for me so why complain? You’re all thinking too negatively.”
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u/Sirneko Feb 06 '23
It used to be enough money for a house 5 kids and for and a not working partner.
Then they figured they worked harder when they couldn’t afford to live. So they made life unaffordable
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u/KarlBark Feb 06 '23
I remember talking with an engineer in my field that was over 50 years old. He said that, thanks to modern software, we are now able to do in one month what they needed 6 months for, 20 years ago.
And yet we're not working 5 times fewer hours or getting paid 5 times more. We really should start pushing for a 3 day weekend
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u/TaylorKindaFunny Feb 06 '23
I honestly would like to see a 4 day workweek myself. I'd love to have Wednesday off so we can have a midweek break to recharge. That way no matter what day it is, we're never far from a break.
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u/CopasVerdes Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
And yet we continue to believe that technology will take our jobs.
Edit: many people saying it will. My point is, tech is not leaving us unemployed. Or is it?
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u/TheAJGman Feb 06 '23
It will, but unless you're a factory/wearhouse worker it'll be slow enough that your industry won't be completely automated in your lifetime. Maybe drivers too, maybe.
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u/bdiddy_ Feb 06 '23
Oh it's happening to everyone already. It's just not so obvious. Software and automation has really displaced massive amount of office work. You use to need a ton of people to do accounting, and administrative duties. Now you need a couple people and a robust software system.
It's true for shit tons of jobs. The reason wages have stayed stagnant is because of exactly that. You need less people to do just about ANYTHING.
The software as well as machinery is such that each person can do multiple peoples jobs fairly easily.
Add AI and data to the decision making process and you can dumb them down even further and stagnate wages even further.
People that say "THEIR" job wont be automated haven't realized that it already is to some degree. While yeah they probably always need a person there, eventually that person will be ANYONE who is willing to work for shit wages. It wont necessarily require much experience. Just need able bodies to do what the computer tells them to do.
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u/RedCowboy0 Feb 06 '23
Going back to the industrial revolution, technology has taken so many jobs that we just think it's normal for those things to be mass produced by unskilled labor
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u/fakeuserisreal Feb 06 '23
Technology has been taking jobs for decades, it's just hidden as efficiency. Imagine the average office space of today operating without computers. Email, word processing, digital networks, spreadsheets all turn big tasks as something we don't even think of as work.
For example, in the days where a landline phone or calculator was the most high-tech thing on your desk, a lot of people had secretaries to handle schedules and communication, and all the other petty tasks that are taken care of today by smartphones.
In that engineer example above, he's producing the same amount of value with fewer man-hours of labor, which means either fewer hours required per person (the ideal) or fewer people doing the work (reality).
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u/Blue_Moon_Lake Feb 06 '23
"But we give 5 times more money to the shareholders, the system work!" ~ CEO
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u/Waste-Shoe-6114 Feb 06 '23
Socialists have been saying this for over a century now.
That will require revolution, actual revolution, because if there's one thing history has proven is that capitalists/liberals/fascists/imperialists (all the same thing at different stages of development) will NEVER give up their power without a (very violent) fight. You can't vote away capitalism.
However, the only thing people in already rich Western capitalist countries are doing is increasing anti-socialist hysteria and normalizing fascism and world war while getting distracted with race-baiting and LGBTQ+-baiting and gender-baiting identity politics (that also will only ultimately be done away with after socialist revolution).
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u/SmashScrapeFlip Feb 06 '23
I take 3 pills every day. 1 for chronic back pain, 1 for anxiety and 1for depression. I'm 39 years old with zero indication life is ever getting better. Just a daily struggle to not become part of another sad statistic.
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u/Styro20 Feb 06 '23
What do you take for your back pain and does it work well?
-a 25 year old
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u/Paragonoreo Feb 06 '23
Not a medication/not op but I’d recommend strengthening your spinal erectors. They help to hold your spine properly aligned & through that help with pain/posture
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u/ActingLikeA_Human Feb 06 '23
What do you do in you free time? Maybe you should change that
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u/Necrensha Feb 06 '23
Reject Society, return to monke.
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u/Imminent_tragedy Feb 06 '23
Embrace society, eat the rich.
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u/Agreetedboat123 Feb 06 '23
People complain about a high marginal tax rate. But the tax rate at the end of a pitchfork is a 100% wealth tax
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u/ifandbut Feb 06 '23
Ya, I love the idea of not knowing where my next meal will come from, or that 8/10 children will die before they come of age, and those 10 kids will kill 1 or 2 of my wives as they are being born. I also really like the idea of losing my finger to a minor infection. Ya, such a great life. /s
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u/sunderpen Feb 06 '23
You know those things still happen, right? And not just in foreign countries.
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u/laz10 Feb 06 '23
A handful of people are really living it up
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u/hwandangogi Feb 06 '23
greatest economic system ever created so far
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u/as0rb Feb 06 '23
Economics systems are not created, they are the consequence of the relationship between the Relations of production and forms of production. They can be built, accelerated, developed but never created, only material reality itself can "create" them.
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u/KarlMario Feb 06 '23
I do believe most possible economic systems have existed throughout history at some scale. Even today there are pockets of slavery and feudalism, maybe even communism.
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u/Ronalderson Feb 06 '23
I love that people think they wouldn't be doing the exact same thing in other economic systems, like bro, the boring jobs will always exist and someone has to do them
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u/OppositeComplaint942 Feb 06 '23
The question isn't: is the job boring?
The question is: does it pay enough to make it worth doing?
The answer is rapidly becoming no for almost any job in the US.
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u/hteultaimte69 Feb 06 '23
Sure, it might be a miserable slog that makes you wish you were dead. But think about the shareholders. You are creating so much value for them! You should be proud. /s
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u/guilhermefdias Feb 06 '23 •
People loves to whine about things from the confort of their homes, with fast internet, fridge full of food, a warm bed to sleep every night, money saved in the bank account, etc... etc...
And I write this from a third world country, if a person in first world countries gets $48k a YEAR, they already belong the to the richest 1% of the whole planet.
Still, they LOVE to whine.
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u/rwhitisissle Feb 06 '23
The observation that life is emotionally and materially unfulfilling for many people in the Western world isn't really contradicted by their relative material prosperity to people in the Global South, though. It can be true that people in both America and far more economically depressed nations deserve more out of life. Of course people who lack basic necessities need relatively more than someone who wishes they only had to work 4 days instead of 5 and who can't afford to buy a house or pay for their kids to go to college because of wage stagnation, but to argue that people should "shut up and stop complaining about their conditions" because others have it worse is myopic at best.
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u/oneplustwothree Feb 06 '23
Exactly! I’m just glad that I get to live in a comfortable safe home and earn food without having to hunt, fear of getting eaten by wild animals, die in extreme heat and cold, and I get entertained to by various medium. All this by spending 9 hrs of my 24 hr day by sending/replying emails.
I’m typing this from 3rd world country.
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u/Viscount-Von-Solt Feb 06 '23
One of the reasons why I envy the West is because their sidewalks are wider. Some of the side walks I use every day don't even extend to a meter.
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u/Icy-Collection-4967 Feb 06 '23
They have no idea how terrible lives average person lived 200, even 100 years ago
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u/F_________M Feb 06 '23
Bro there's people in first world countries in this day and age who would kill to push buttons for 8 hours and be able to afford food.
This meme is just peak 14 y/o reddit.
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u/redrover900 Feb 06 '23
So because things were worse in the past we must never improve anything ever again? What a great way to dismiss any complaint. Sure you have issues but someone somewhere at anytime has had it worse so stop complaining.
These comments are just peak ok boomer.
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u/rwhitisissle Feb 06 '23
Literally no one here is arguing that life 100 or 200 years ago is comparably better than today, though.
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u/redrover900 Feb 06 '23
This is just another take on the we should improve society somewhat meme. The argument isn't that we are worse off than people in the past, the argument is that things should be better.
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u/-OptimalPrimus- Feb 06 '23
The peasants and slaves are still peasants and slaves, but instead of being hanged and beaten, they just don't get a livable wage.
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u/Johna328 Feb 06 '23
Wage slavery exists because we are driven by survival rather than benefiting our fellow man. I wonder what system allows for working for our fellow worker rather than capital owners and ourselves...
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Noo, I enjoy having 25 days out of 365 entirely to myself while 1/2 of my every other waking day is devoted to performing the same task endlessly while never seeing the profits of the end-result as my pay gets smaller and smaller every year while there's more and more work added. I think the system is perfect and I think since the cold war was won by capitalism, there is no space to improve it at all. This is the human experience from now on till the end of time and I love it.
You too should learn to love logging into the Torment Nexus every day, you know?
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u/tocksarethewoooorst Feb 06 '23
What’s fun is that they take the good half. The time when businesses are open. The time when the suns out. No sun for you peasant now go back to the fluorescent box for 9 hours and stare at a screen.
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I love winter, where I can look at the sun through the window the whole time I am at work, thinking how nice it'd be to go on a walk in the crisp cold air, and then finish my workday when the sun is gone!
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u/marinesol Feb 06 '23
Listen its not Adam Smith's fault you can't be bothered to have hobbies.
He was too busy advocating against monopolies, aristocracy, and special rights for the rich.
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u/Sky-is-here Feb 06 '23
Hell Adam Smith believed in taxation and state intervention to stop monopolies and create a more equal society. Adam Smith nowadays would probably get called socialist
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u/radiatar Feb 06 '23
He believed in those things, which we do today.
Otherwise, Adam Smith was very capitalist, and would be horrified by how much more the state intervenes today compared to his time.
Not that it's a bad thing, but calling Adam Smith a socialist is widely out of proportion.
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u/Sky-is-here Feb 06 '23
Oh no he was not socialist at all, but there are people that would call him one lol.
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u/mule_roany_mare Feb 06 '23
It sucks & I know g for a better future.
But keep in mind you can only worry about being happy when you aren’t worrying about staying alive.
A system that leaves you bored and unfulfilled is still a tremendous upgrade to constantly worrying about starvation & violence.
Just a few hundred years ago 90% of the world lived in abject poverty & poor people didn’t get fat, they were skinny & a bit of luck away from death.
Large scale famines occurred every 20 years or so and you had to content with plagues too, and you had wars that didn’t just exist on the news.
We can do better. But that’s no reason to pretend what humanity has built (without any blueprints or guidance) isn’t something to be proud of.
We invented the very idea of human rights and invented institutions to enshrine them and did all the world to actually build them.
We have holes in our walls where clean water and hot water just flow. We have holes in our walls where labor comes out & can wash our clothes, have you ever washed clothes by hand? With soaps & not detergents?
TLDR
Being unfulfilled sucks, but it’s a luxury people dreamt of for most of human existence.
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u/Pankratos_Gaming Feb 06 '23
We're living in an oligarchy disguised as a democracy.
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u/sonofabear17 Feb 06 '23
That not a functional government!
It’s just 3 billionaires stacked up in a trench coat!
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u/armorhide406 Feb 06 '23
I like how we sanctioned russia's oligarchs but haven't done shit for the rest
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u/cryptoLyfFtw Feb 06 '23
The system wasn’t built for YOU. Show a gif of the millionaires and billionaires balling. It’s built for them.
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u/DaniilBSD Feb 06 '23
Americans be like:
- Create a cult of work
- blame capitalism
(In Europe, standard work week is 40 hours; overtime is discouraged because it must be calculated etc)
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u/FREE_JIM_THE_JEW Feb 06 '23
Why are we pretending that we, in Europe, are living in some kind of utopia? We're still wage slaves, just with a few more benefits.
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u/smittyleafs Feb 06 '23
Because in the western world is easier to look at how shit the US is for social supports and to pat ourselves on the back for the things we do better.
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u/Charlatan_69 Feb 06 '23
Meanwhile the vast majority of Americans are perfectly happy living in America and have zero desire to live anywhere in Europe.
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u/TheGoldenChampion 👌 Feb 06 '23
Bro I live in Kentucky do you really think I wouldn’t rather live in Norway? Many people would rather live in different places, but don’t want to abandon their friends, family, and their home. Moving a long distance is very hard, and requires a lot of sacrifice.
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u/Gerbilguy46 Feb 06 '23
I didn’t create shit bro. I never wanted to be part of this cult, I was born into it.
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u/Steppyjim Feb 06 '23
I’m an American and my work week is 40 hours too. Overtime also discouraged because they don’t wanna pay me time and a half
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u/Blitzpanz0r Feb 06 '23
Capitalism has outlived its purpose.
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u/sneakyveriniki Feb 06 '23
Its “purpose” was always to benefit the few at the top. It was never actually about benefiting the masses, it’s not like it was created benignly and just accidentally went wrong somewhere
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u/creamyjoshy Feb 06 '23
No other economic system has been created in which boring or unpleasant or unfulfilling work is eliminated. Feudalism, hunter-gathering and socialism also have unpleasant job roles
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u/GameCreeper 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Feb 06 '23
I just think it's a bit strange that people's ability to survive is based entirely on if it's profitable or not
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u/YuNg-BrAtZ Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
You leave out a lot of relevant information because you don't ask yourself WHY. There is unpleasant work to be done just to sustain our existence. Nobody disagrees with that. But crucially, capitalism has multiple mechanisms actively making work more unpleasant, and is constantly creating more work simply for the sake of growth. A rational system, instead, would consider whether new work is actually beneficial or necessary rather than blindly requiring it as a matter of survival. It also wouldn't have a parasitic administrative class which siphons off the majority of profits before the people who actually did the work get anything.
Nobody believes we could eliminate 100% of drudgery and unpleasantness in life, but eliminating literally 100% of it is not the point. We can drastically lower the number of people who have to do unpleasant things, and the amount of time that they have to do it for, which would be obviously good and worthwhile thing in and of itself. The benefits to our physical and mental health, along with our social lives and the entire social fabric, the arts and culture, the environment – I could go on – would be enormous.
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u/hug__box Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
How do we automate away plumbers in today's society?
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Notice the non-answer and the ridiculous claim that
It's quite clear that with current technology we can create far better plumbing systems (or anything else, really) requiring far less maintenance, and integrate many automated or self-maintaining solutions.
Without a single detail to give context to what this means, or a single source to back it up.
I don't know how anyone can take arguments like these seriously.
very few working hours for the many plumbers/people have time to plumb for their community for free.
This is the solution? My building's plumbing maintenance will be done by some rando that lives nearby? The fuck kind of solution is that?
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u/RiD_JuaN tbh Feb 06 '23
how many people have been lifted out of poverty in just India in the last two decades?
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u/TheMariannWilliamson Feb 06 '23
Replace "India" with "China" and you can do the same exercise.
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u/1sagas1 evil SJW stealing your freedom Feb 06 '23
Except Chinas success, once again, only happened when it embraced capitalism
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u/Maluelue Feb 06 '23
How many Indians will be dislocated from their home towns and regions after this years new record temperature will hit? It's been 49°C in Delhi, we're expecting 50 this year. People are dying. Maybe we should slow down this whole capitalism a bit?
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u/RiD_JuaN tbh Feb 06 '23
industrialization lead to every form of economic system that has forward momentum causing insane amounts of pollution. the soviets did it, the Chinese did it, the Americans did it. today, the countries making the biggest strides in green tech and renewable energy are capitalist states.
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u/kelvin_bot Feb 06 '23
49°C is equivalent to 120°F, which is 322K.
I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand
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u/ReyTheRed Feb 06 '23
I think one of the fundamental problems we have today is that people, especially politicians, mistake the metrics for the economy. GDP and such are useful metrics, but they don't tell the whole story, and if the goods produced are not actually doing good, the metric doesn't really capture that.
The purpose of an economy is not to have the number go up, it is to create and distribute prosperity for actual humans. Funneling even more wealth to the richest people may be the most efficient way to increase the numbers in the report, but it doesn't actually improve anyone's lives (not even the people who were already rich, having more money than you can spend in 100 lifetimes isn't any better than having more money than you can spend in 2, in fact you hit diminishing returns far before that). If a more equitable distribution of wealth cut our GDP in half, but everyone was fed, housed, had decent transportation, and healthcare, that would be a tremendous win, but no politician would ever do it because both parties have lost track of the economy in favor of the numbers.
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u/-oshino_shinobu- Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
We unironically do live in the greatest time ever. Name another period in history where:
EveryMost child goes to school edit: gotdamn you know what I mean when I say “every” kid go to school. Stop asking me for “sOuRCe?”Literacy rate above 90%
Average lifespan above 70 years
So much food that people are getting too fat
Healthcare (maybe not affordable for Americans but at least it exists)
Can video call your friend two continents away via internet
I used to be extremely bothered by inequality and harsh working conditions. But compared to the working class 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago, we truly are living the life.
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u/ThisIsGoobly Feb 06 '23
we should never settle, this still isn't a good enough life.
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u/jmomk Feb 06 '23
We shouldn't settle, but it would also be unwise and myopic to say that these are not the best conditions humans have ever lived in.
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u/dinosaurs_quietly Feb 06 '23
We shouldn’t settle, but if you don’t acknowledge all the good parts of our society then you risk losing those good things and making life worse.
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u/hteultaimte69 Feb 06 '23
Hundreds of thousands of people are killing themselves every year.
We can admit that things are comparatively better now. But when the system is clearly failing on such a spectacular level that ~600 Americans kill the sleeves every day, it’s time to take a step back and rethink things.
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u/jon_mox_jet Feb 06 '23
Life expectancy is literally dropping and anxiety, depression, suicide, and drug overdoses are going through the roof.
Also Cuba, a dirt poor island nation, has a higher literacy rate and better healthcare.
Your post is pure unadulterated cope.
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u/LittleLunia Feb 06 '23
Kinda sad how many people here think something like the USSR is the only alternative to ruthless capitalism...
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u/Master-Reason-6780 Feb 06 '23
Yeah americans can only see 2 things: extreme capitalism or extreme comunism. They dont understand that those 2 things aren mutualy exlusive. Like germany for example. We got an relativly capiatlistik market, because of that we got an very stron Economy. But we also got some socalistic/comunistic parts, like "free" healtcare and free university level education. I wouldnt say that this is the perfect system, but its in many parts better than Capitalism and comunism. I do think america could be an very great Country, they just have to get their heads out of the Cold war and stop seeing Comunism as somthing completly bad. And see the benifit in adopting parts of it.
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u/Graysteve Feb 06 '23
To be 100% fair, Socialism and Capitalism are incompatible. Social Programs, like what you are referring to, do wonders to make the issues with Capitalism more bearable for the Workers, and Unions do even more to improve the lives of Workers.
Socialism isn't free stuff, or welfare paid for by taxation, it's Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, like coops for example. The elimination of the Worker/Owner divide is the goal of the Socialist, not providing everyone with welfare and other Social Safety Nets. Those can exist in either Socialism or Capitalism, but Socialism and Capitalism cannot exist within the same section of the same system.
Now, if all medical corporations were Worker-Owned, or all medical organizations democratically owned via being government owned in a democracy, that would be an example of Socialism. My point is that Medicare for All, a popular US policy, would not be Socialism but instead Capitalist welfare as the corporations would remain Capitalist.
Just nitpicking, the sentiment is good overall.
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u/dw796341 Feb 06 '23
And as if Russia has done capitalism well either. Or democracy. Weird how Russia is always a referendum on communism rather than the last 30 years of what capitalism and democracy have achieved for them.
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u/xQuizate87 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
capitalism is the worst form of economic system except for all the others that have been tried.
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u/BossKrisz Feb 06 '23
I mean yeah, capitalism sucks, but like name a better economical system. Every other one failed miserably without exception.
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u/Rogendo Feb 06 '23
Ironically this is also what communism looks like but you get to use the word comrade so it’s slightly better
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u/DurangoGango Feb 06 '23 •
Ironically this is also what communism looks like
Millions escaped from communist to capitalist countries because the quality of life was the same, say redditors who grew up in Western capitalist countries.
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u/CopasVerdes Feb 06 '23
In the end it’s just work that humans need to get done regardless of the economic system.
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u/liwipe Feb 06 '23
Can’t wait to go home and push the same buttons in a different order on my other computer