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u/jcolinr Nov 07 '21

This does highlight an issue I’ve begun to notice a lot lately in the workplace: an enormous disconnect between managers who suffered long hours and low pay to get where they are versus their employees who are no longer willing to suffer long hours with low pay. It creates a lot of friction and turnover where I work

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u/Fairuse Nov 07 '21

Yeah, tends to build a lot of resent.

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u/mrhhug Nov 07 '21

Boomers got taken advantage of and now they want to do the same to us, but we just ain't

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u/Rixxer Nov 07 '21 Silver

except they didn't get taken advantage of at all - they could afford a house, car, 2 kids, college education, and vacations every year, normal expenses, a retirement fund, social security they will actually see, and all that at almost any place with full time employment, which was everywhere.

And that's with one person working...

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u/IridiumPony Nov 07 '21

Yeah. My mom a while ago tried to explain how tough they had it growing up. Granted they weren't rich, and had to live on a pretty tight budget. But when I said "Mom, grandpa was a butcher at a grocery store, grandma was a housewife. You had two siblings. You had a house with a swimming pool. My generation would be homeless on that salary." I think it put some things in perspective

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u/TouchMehBewts Nov 07 '21

Bingo... as foolish as it sounds look at that 70s show.

Kitty was a nurse and red was a salesman... you try to be the bread winner as a salesman these days, as well as seemingly come home every night for dinner etc etc.

Just so wild it's hard to grasp for them, when they've seen the damn price changes of inflation first fucking hand.

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u/amc7262 Nov 07 '21

Yeah, "long hours and low pay" hits different when that low pay is still enough to afford a single family home to go back to after those long hours.

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u/mrhhug Nov 07 '21

Yeah but.... Can't we just have all that without working weekends???

Or is the 2nd yacht fitter the ceo off the table?

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u/spaghatta111 Nov 07 '21

I’m not trying to be a jerk - but if we gave everyone a weekend off, what do you suppose is there to do on the weekends? Unless you’re ok with things closing on the weekends (which I’m totally down for, by the way, because I’m a homebody these days)?

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u/Lrauka Nov 07 '21

Shit I work the weekends. And then have Mon to Wed off. That's my trade off. Weekends for more time off. I think that what people are asking for is two days in a damn row off, not specifically Sat and Sun.

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u/spaghatta111 Nov 07 '21

That I get. With some jobs it just doesn’t work like that, but I understand it

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u/HerbalGamer Nov 07 '21

They still got taken advantage of, just nowhere nearly as much as we are.

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u/DangerousPuhson Nov 07 '21

Boomers come from an age where business owners mostly got wealthy by exploiting natural resources and customers, rather than by exploiting their own workers. Since modern natural resources are expensive/rarer, and customers have so many competing options to choose from, the paradigm has since changed - now the business landscape is all about min-maxing operating costs to produce the most things with the least overhead, thereby greatly widening the net-to-gross income gap.

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u/trapezoidalfractal Nov 07 '21

The white middle class people could afford that, but you really gonna sit there and spit age warfare as if it’s not a distraction from class warfare? You really think black and Latino boomers were buying houses in the days of redlining? You think Cletus, who’s family is fourth generation miners living in a shithole town with poisoned water barely making enough to cover his bills, much less save for the black lung that he inevitably got from working In terrible conditions for twenty years, you think he was buying houses and sending his kids to college and going on vacation every year?

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u/VodkaAlchemist Nov 07 '21

The white middle class people could afford that, but you really gonna sit there and spit age warfare as if it’s not a distraction from class warfare? You really think black and Latino boomers were buying houses in the days of redlining? You think Cletus, who’s family is fourth generation miners living in a shithole town with poisoned water barely making enough to cover his bills, much less save for the black lung that he inevitably got from working In terrible conditions for twenty years, you think he was buying houses and sending his kids to college and going on vacation every year?

I'm sorry, why do they have to be white? Do black middle class people not have the same currency as white people? Shit, no wonder everyone has been going wild. I didn't realize that the white middle class used different money than the rest of us.

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u/ayelold Nov 07 '21

Yea, they had to be white. John Oliver did a fantastic piece on the systemic racism that prevented non white people from having the same housing opportunities as white people. They might have the same currency, but they weren't eligible for the same loans or housing opportunities based strictly on skin color.

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u/VodkaAlchemist Nov 07 '21

Is that a thing now or for the last 30 years?

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u/ayelold Nov 07 '21

It's a thing they've gotten rid of but was very much a thing. It started in the 30's though and it's effects are still relevant today since much of middle class wealth inheritance is tied up in housing. Can't inherit a house that your grandparents were prevented from buying.

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u/trapezoidalfractal Nov 07 '21

That is still going on now, yes.

The beast has had many heads cut off, but true to its form as a hydra, every time they do, another goes.

“It was distressing to find no evidence of reduced discrimination in the mortgage market over the last 35 years,” said Quillian, also a faculty fellow with the University’s Institute for Policy Research. “Discrimination in the mortgage market makes it more difficult for minority households to build wealth through housing, contributing to racial wealth gaps. Discrimination in the housing market increases housing insecurity for minority households and contributes to persistent neighborhood segregation. These results help account for why black homeownership has not increased over the last 35 years.”

Now, I’m not implying poor white peoples had it easy, either. This country has always stepped on its lower classes. It just steps harder if you’re also in any way out of the status quo (minority, LGBT, etc).

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u/flargenhargen Nov 07 '21

they didn't get taken advantage of at all

it's funny that people actually believe this was the norm.

the middle class people who could afford all those things then can still afford them now.

The same grocery store cashiers like the one in this comic could never afford those things, then, or now, and struggled to survive.

it's definitely worse now, no doubt, but lying about the past and claiming everyone was able to afford vacations and homes and retirement is just a shitty way to try to make your point, and ends up weakening it, since adding a lie doesn't ever increase believability.

I know this will be buried by people who want to continue spreading that and lying to themselves about how the streets used to be lined with gold, but it's crap.

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u/c08855c49 Nov 07 '21

My mom in the 80s worked full time at McDonalds and could afford a car, housing and to pay for college while raising my brother and myself on a single income. This wasn't forever ago, it was like 30 years ago.

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u/fried_green_baloney Nov 07 '21

That's the real difference. Not that everyone got to be a vice president, but that it was possible to live a decent life on a quite ordinary job.

And college was very cheap by today's standards.

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u/WebMaka Nov 07 '21

Welcome to the end result of 30 years of stagflation. 30 years ago was way closer to when there was near-parity between inflation, productivity, and wages so even with low incomes it was at least possible to make ends meet, but nowadays the gulf is so wide it's mathematically impossible to survive by yourself on minimum wage.

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u/BuzzzKill Nov 07 '21

I think things are overblown, but my dad tells me all the time how when he got his first job him and his parents found a place he could rent on the beach by himself working full time retail. I wouldn’t have been able afford a place by myself anywhere in my city when I got my first full time office job.

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u/fried_green_baloney Nov 07 '21

Many boomers started working in the bad years from 1973 to 1982 or so, when the economy was in the toilet thanks to oil prices doubling on two separate occasions (1973 Oil Boycott and 1980 Iran Crisis).

Really 1973 is when things started to go off the rails in the USA.

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u/Jewnadian Nov 07 '21

My Dad worked in a gas station on the summer and made enough to pay his entire college tuition for the year. Just hush man, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/leriq Nov 08 '21

Tell that to my grandpa who had to move across the country often for work.

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u/Rixxer Nov 08 '21

>my grandpa didn't have the easiest time finding jobs therefore everyone was poor and unemployed

this is why anecdotal evidence is bad.

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u/leriq Nov 08 '21 edited Nov 09 '21

Or maybe my point is just that not all boomers are the way people constantly describe them as? Maybe you shouldn’t shove whole sentences in peoples mouths.

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u/Tearakan Nov 07 '21

They didn't though. Almost everything was super cheap compared to income back then. Housing, cars, college, general food etc.

They could get a house for two kids and a car or two on just one salary of someone who didn't go to college.

They could literally work their way through college by working minimum wage jobs in the summer.

All of that shit went up and wages remained pretty much stagnant while productivity skyrocketed.

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u/trapezoidalfractal Nov 07 '21

Except they were. The majority of the baby boomers are lower class just like every other generation. Age politics is a distraction from class politics. You know who was a boomer? Fred Hampton, Assata Shakur, Bernie Sanders… I could literally go on for at minimum two or three hours with a list of boomers who were class aware and fought for equality, and that’s before we get to the literal thousands of people who were locked up over the decades for standing up for what’s right.

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u/TrainedExplains Nov 07 '21

This is what they say, as they complain about being homeowners, the wealthiest generation ever with the most opportunity, and as they ruined the economy twice for personal benefit.

Fuck boomers.

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u/FutilityKnife Nov 07 '21

Hell my friend is 25 managing fresh college grads and is butt hurt that the newbies show up at 8 and leave at 4:30 when 3 years ago in the same position they’d have to work 7a to 7p at least twice a week.

It’s not just boomers, it’s a total bummer when you grind hard to be a manager but your direct reports have a very different perspective/work ethic and don’t want to do the same.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '21

So they work 8.5 hours a day? That's not a different work ethic. Your friend was taken advantage of and there's no reason she should take advantage of others as a result.

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u/FutilityKnife Nov 07 '21

To be fair I told them they were being exploited the whole time.

I’m just saying I finally understand the perspective of working OT and being peeved that the employees you’re responsible for won’t. That person is wearing their OT in the form of a raise and promotion and it’s flustering that their underlings don’t want the same thing they did. I agree they’re not in the right though.

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u/the_jak Nov 07 '21

Boomers had the world handed to them on a fucking palladium platter and proceeded to destroy everything that gave them a leg up. Gen X seems to be content in continuing it. Only millennials and those younger than us seem to want to fix the mess those before us made of an otherwise good thing.

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u/I_EAT_BUMBLEBEES Nov 07 '21

great point.... why is it in /funny

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u/IridiumPony Nov 07 '21

I'm a manager that dealt with hostile work environments, brutal hours (80+ a week wasn't uncommon), unsafe conditions (the list of injuries/permanent scars can go on for quite a while), poverty wages and exploitative bosses. I worked my ass off to get where I'm at now, and yes I do feel a sense of pride for surviving what I survived.

However, never in my wildest dreams would I ever want to subject anyone else to what I went through, and I work hard every day to make sure that the industry I work in isn't grinding people into dirt anymore. How anyone can suffer like that for years and then wish that suffering on another person is beyond me. We should strive to make things better not keep them the same.

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u/spaghatta111 Nov 07 '21

I never wanted to subject anyone to go through what I went through, and you still can’t please everybody. In management, no matter how much accommodation you give, no matter how many concessions you make, you’re a tyrant in the eyes of at least one person

And I didn’t make much more than my staff did, either. We took home around the same amount once things were broken down. During covid I didn’t qualify for unemployment, I had to work more hours and corporate had to cut their hours even further, they took home more money in 2020 than I did

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u/IridiumPony Nov 07 '21

Yeah there are always people who think you're terrible. 99% of my team likes me, the 1% that don't usually get shown the door pretty quick.

I work a travel job and these guys have literally followed me across the country several times just to keep working with me, so I'm pretty confident I'm not abusing any of them.

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u/spaghatta111 Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 07 '21

Speaking of which, I literally just left a 19+ year hotel career. I’m in health admin now - I am making money doing pickup calls for dentists, than I did as a manager of a reservations call center at a 5-star golf resort, where I had 1000 times more responsibility , 1000 times more stress, and taking constant abuse from guests as well as my revenue management team. And I just started at this new place a month ago.

10/10 would do it again.

Bonus? I’m working from home right now.

But I know exactly what you’re saying - in hotels, people will travel to stay with you. When I left my most recent hotel job, most of my team liked me, and one of them hated my guts. Apparently he’s still talking shit about me even though I’m gone, my old team members have been telling me this over drinks. So I don’t let it get me down.

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u/Spacemanbyff Nov 07 '21

Except productivity is up 300% from where it was in the 70’s, and wages have remained completely stagnant. We actually work much much harder than the old folks in managerial positions ever had to, and are not adequately compensated for it.

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u/CupcakeValkyrie Nov 07 '21

That's life in general, honestly. I have a cousin that's completely opposed to social programs because if she had to struggle, they should too. Think about how anti-progress that is to believe that younger generations should suffer the exact same trials you did. The entire point of progress is so that each new generation has a better life than the one that came before it.

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u/spaghatta111 Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 07 '21

Not that I’m disagreeing with you. But I also see people go to the other end of that spectrum and act like they deserve unlimited time off with as little notice as they want.

There has to be some kind of standard where you have a job, and you show up to do that job. Reliability is still an important thing to have in the workplace, and I see a lot of people who seem to be defending this notion that unreliability only exists with management

I deal with a chronic health issue, and I get needing time off to handle things. My current workplace is flexible and offers a good work/life balance. But even they have limits

Matter of fact, not long ago, I was a supervisor for a department that had to deal with someone like this. I have always done my best to give time off when it’s requested. A few months ago, someone decided to tell me, 2-3 days before the next workweek was supposed to start, with the schedules already posted, that she wanted to have her mother fly into town and that she would need to take the next 2 weeks off. I told her I would do my best to accommodate things, but there was no way I was going to be able to schedule 2 full weeks off like that.

She was okay with this initially - said she would do some half days here and there and would tell me which days off she wanted to have as a higher priority. When I followed up with her on this (already into the next schedule, with Monday being a half day) she burst into tears and told me that I gave her the two weeks off, and that I was ruining her family’s plans that they made “long in advance” and that this was not fair to her mom.

And believe me - had we had WFH options at my workplace, I would have let her go home and do whatever hours she needed during those 2 weeks, and I would have been done with it. If this were an emergency situation and she needed to leave the state ASAP, I would have been understanding. But this was someone who just flat out wanted a vacation, refused to tell me about this vacation until after a reasonable amount of time in advance to warn me of such a vacation - without compromise.

There is a line between having a good work-life balance, and setting appropriate boundaries at your workplace, and childish entitlement. And while most people are reasonable with off requests, unfortunately you do have people who are entitled and refuse to make sacrifices or compromises.

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u/Meyou52 Nov 07 '21

Except when they worked long hours for low pay, it still afforded something. Now we have long hours, low pay, and everything is 1100 times more expensive

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u/SquirrelDynamics Nov 07 '21

Agreed. The previous generation took their mental health decline as a badge of honor. The same generation always jokes about being alcoholics.

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u/roguebfl Nov 08 '21

the irony is they still drink less than pre probition levels

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u/gotchacoverd Nov 07 '21

It exists in all kinds of places. It's the "In my day" mentality. It's responsible for everything from hazing to low wages.

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u/Munchingtonalistic Nov 07 '21

The managers only did the grind for ego and to control the other people though. Of course this would be the end result

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u/joeordie Nov 07 '21

Manager here, can confirm.

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u/Raetro_live Nov 08 '21

Long hours and low pay are completely different now then they were 20-30 years ago tho.

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u/RoboticGreg Nov 08 '21

I guess I GET that, but I suffered long hours at low pay to get where I am, but BECAUSE of that I DON'T WANT my employees to have to.

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u/AdventureBum Nov 08 '21

Except, when you account for inflation their pay was actually much, much higher.

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u/fried_green_baloney Nov 07 '21

Another kind of disconnect: Managers (director level and above) got rich when company was a startup. Now it's just another job for the line workers who are recent hires. And the management just can't understand why the new people aren't as motivated as the managers are.

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u/itanshi Nov 07 '21

My managers made less than i did when you calculate hours worked with their salary. I passed up promotions

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u/GluttonAsteroth Nov 07 '21

Ah, the old "I had to suffer so you too have to suffer."

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u/MarsOG13 Nov 07 '21

Old school still usijg old school rules. getting the chance to make change, but fuck you. I already got mine.

Dealing with dinosaurs at work now.

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u/Jnk1296 Nov 08 '21

Our work is currently in the middle of determining a new schedule since it's been noted as the number one reason people/new hires quit. It's a 3 on 3 off rotate days and nights every six days. The most popular options are 3on3off 12 day turn and 4on4off 16 day turn.

Every old timer there had voted to keep the current schedule "because we've worked that schedule for 20-30 years, why change now?" Even though they'll probably have retired in five years time. Fuck everyone else.

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u/trabloblablo Nov 07 '21

I heard a lot of "Pizza Hut are hiring" when I was a sub. Solidarity!

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u/Benjewda Nov 08 '21

at my last job that's how my boss was. I asked her for 1 weekend a month off, at a company that claimed it was a health and wellness company and she made a huge deal that even she didn't get weekends off and she's the one that made the schedule. I asked her why she didn't schedule herself off a weekend and she didn't have an asnwer

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u/Compendyum Nov 07 '21

"I had to suffer so you too have to suffer."

"I had to suffer so you too have to suffer at least double."

FTFY

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u/frank_sinatra_69 Nov 07 '21

i feel like "im sorry you put up with that" is a pretty dickish way to say this to someone who literally didnt have a choice and fell victim to the times

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u/genonepointfive Nov 07 '21

What would you have said?

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u/frank_sinatra_69 Nov 07 '21

idk throw in a "had to" or something, i just dont think the phrasing is respectful

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u/frank_sinatra_69 Nov 07 '21

what? no, i mean respectful. what a stupid question.

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u/SpaceLemming Nov 07 '21

It wouldn’t happen if they didn’t continue the cycle of abuse

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u/titsoutshitsout Nov 07 '21

That’s probably the least dickish way to say that lmaooo

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u/potsticker17 Nov 07 '21

If they're using their experience as a way to deny your request then I would say it's perfectly acceptable

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u/Citizensssnips Nov 07 '21

I'm noticing comments may have missed what the girl is asking for.

Retail workers get two days off, they just usually don't get them back to back. Ex: most people have Saturday and Sunday off, retail workers usually get something like Sunday and Thursday or Monday and Wednesday, etc.

Having your days off together, giving an actual "weekend" experience is usually unheard of.

There are pros and cons, tbh. Never having to do 5 days straight is kind of nice, but you also never get to have a day off without knowing your working the next day

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u/Centimane Nov 07 '21

The weirdest part of the problem is that if everyone's getting two days off working shift, then it's all the same to have them be 2 consecutive days. There's still going to be just as many people off on any given day, regardless of who specifically is off.

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u/Citizensssnips Nov 07 '21

The comic doesn't provide context but most retail jobs require you work Fri, Sat, sun.

That only leaves M, T, W, TH for days off. I actually don't think retailers would have a problem if someone asked for Monday and Tuesday off every week, for example, it's just I doubt that's a very popular request.

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u/linktlh Nov 07 '21

Ps: Monday Tuesday are awesome days to have off. I had them for about a year, you can do so many more things because kids are at school, and everyone else is at work. Traffic is great, and because it’s the beginning of the week less people are out at night too.

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u/titsoutshitsout Nov 07 '21

Agreed. I feel having weekends off is only advantageous if you have kids or like maybe the occasional show/event you want to go to.

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u/makenzie71 Nov 07 '21

When I worked retail I had wednesday and thursday off every week and it was never a problem. It wasn't even a long discussion..."I need every wednesday and thursday off", "no problem".

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u/vincentalphapsi Nov 07 '21

Pretty much, I needed time to finish degree related stuff and just went in and put Tuesday->Thursday as unavailable. Wasn't an issue in any way shape or form.

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u/Centimane Nov 07 '21

That problem can be solved by changing which days are off week to week.

One week you get Monday Tuesday.

Then Wednesday Thursday

Then Friday Saturday

Etc. Or whatever other pattern they want to do. That can balance "getting the real weekend" sometimes, and still getting consecutive days.

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u/Meta2048 Nov 07 '21

That doesn't work in customer-facing jobs, because there are days that need more staff than others. If a restaurant tried to staff Saturdays the same way they staff Mondays, it would be a complete cluster.

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u/Centimane Nov 07 '21

It doesn't matter that some days need more staff than others. All that matters is how many days off a person gets. If at least 7 get 2 days off, it can be consecutive for all of them.

Besides the fact that part time employees would resolve any fluctuations day-to-day

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u/love-from-london Nov 07 '21

At my old job that I just left a few months ago (grocery store) most people only got one day a week off. And you were lucky if they were evenly spaced over a two week period instead of bookends, leading to working 10+ days straight often. And all this for minimum wage in a time where the competitors are raising wages to attempt to get applicants. Glad I left.

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u/nimrodhellfire Nov 07 '21

That's why in developed countries you have a right for two consecutive free days per month, independent of your job.

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u/spaghatta111 Nov 07 '21

I was a manager where I had Sunday and Monday off. Which, people talked shit, but it wasn’t for my benefit

Sunday was slower; you had your usual Sunday crew who was off Saturday. They were trustworthy enough to carry over the day, and it was unlikely they needed to stay late. If there was any day I was needed on a weekend, it was Saturday… and I rarely left on time

I was off Mondays because I was getting physical therapy, and getting regular, not-fun medical treatments in order for me to work Tuesday-Saturday without excruciating pain. Monday was not exactly a day at the beach.

I would give 2 days back to back if you asked me, and could accommodate it the majority of the time. Some Sundays I came in, and people knew that I would always sacrifice my own days off if someone was sick, people always knew I would stay late past everyone else. But despite that, I was always accused of self-serving with the schedule.

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u/MaxErikson Nov 07 '21

My guardian, who worked at Meijer, always had Sunday and Monday off, but usually had to work different hours every week. I assume, however, that this two-day weekend is a luxury given to parents and guardians.

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u/getyourcheftogether Nov 07 '21

I just don't like having the weekend off, I really don't. I like either Fri/Sat or Sun/Mon. Having a weekday or is good for any errands that require attention on "business days", doctor appointments too. I don't feel my work should have to suffer for that fact.

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u/Bal-lax Nov 07 '21

Must be an American thing.

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u/UranusisGolden Nov 07 '21

Its the american dream. Employ slaves

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u/deezysteez Nov 07 '21

dont tell them that. theyll yell at u saying they live in the bestest most freeest country in the world.....jus dont have any skin pigment

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u/Vincent_Plenderleith Nov 07 '21

White is also a color though

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u/GormAuslander Nov 07 '21

What does skin pigment have to do with it?

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u/LostGundyr Nov 07 '21

Because we fucking suck.

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u/dugsmuggler Nov 07 '21

Two consecutive days off is mandatory, here in the civilized world.

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u/caniuserealname Nov 07 '21

Two consecutive days off is mandatory, here in the civilized world.

What? No, in a civilized country the employee would have the power to decide whether or not they want their days off consecutively or not.

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u/Ghostglitch07 Nov 07 '21

Problem is "employee decides" often really means " management will try to subtly pressure them into doing what works for the employer, or find someone who will" you need a way to enforce employee agency or it can quickly become employer power.

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u/Revanov Nov 07 '21

Oh you sweet innocent summer child. If only the people at foxconn or the 996er had the same options in Asia.

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u/dugsmuggler Nov 07 '21

The people at foxconn are assembling IPhones for Apple, which is an Armeican company, who specifically choose that supplier based on labour costs.

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u/michaelochurch Nov 07 '21

China is a case that doesn't really fit in Western models of society.

They're no longer communist, but they're not capitalist either. China's playing a game that Westerners, who have no sense of long-term national pride, don't understand, because (and I'm saying this as a neutral observer, not calling it good or bad) we don't look ahead 100+ years-- we're too individualistic to obsess over a time in which we'll be dead-- and we generally view nationalism as foolish at best and dangerous at worst.

The CCP is willing to sacrifice a few million Chinese people to imperialist capitalists in order to learn how our industries work, so it can replicate them. That's what Foxconn is. China has created zones in which it allows corporate capitalism to be the model, with the end objective being to outplay us in the imperial game. And they will. As for whether this is good or bad, I can't say. As for whether they will eventually use this wealth to turn into a communist paradise, who knows?

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u/dugsmuggler Nov 07 '21

They're no longer communist, but they're not capitalist either.

Yeah, no.

Wrong on both counts.

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u/Yasea Nov 07 '21

Most Americans get culture shock when they come over here and see all shops closing at 6pm and not even bother opening on a Sunday.

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u/nimrodhellfire Nov 07 '21

I mean, are Muricans aware of stuff like this? How can you see stuff like free healthcare, sick days, 20+ holidays, etc over there in Europe and think: "nah, don't want that."

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u/Scribblr Nov 07 '21

People here are terrified of anyone else getting something they “don’t deserve.”

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u/Eis_Gefluester Nov 07 '21

Sure my life quality would be better, but the life quality of this one lazy guy o know would also be better and that's a prize too high to pay! /S

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u/PPOKEZ Nov 07 '21

Working hard and “paying your dues” has been turned into a belief system here. People somehow think that the more they suffer, the greater the reward will be (not everyone, but enough to make it a problem). I think it has been rooted in and coupled with religion honestly. And it’s preached and reinforced along those lines by conservative politicians at the behest of many of the corrupt and wealthy “job creators”. A cycle we are not prepared to fight against because so few see the connection.

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u/frantzca Nov 07 '21

There are a lot of people in this country who refuse to improve their own lives, if it means there’s a chance it would improve the lives of people they deem beneath them. They’d rather live terribly, as long as they know someone is even worse off than them. It’s pretty sad.

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u/AdventureBum Nov 08 '21

Because tHaT’S SoCiAlIsM

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u/issded Nov 07 '21

Tbh I'm a little tired to always see American problems on this sub. It's not even funny. It's just sad.

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u/amc7262 Nov 07 '21

on this sub on an American run website?

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u/issded Nov 07 '21

What? Are you one of those people who claim, because a website has an American publisher it was therefore made only for Americans and it's used mainly by Americans? (this might shock you, but in fact it's not. More than a half are from another country.)

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u/amc7262 Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 07 '21

Source? Cause I googled it and the first result says just over half of us are American, and it seems to be dated 2021.

and no, I don't think the site is just for Americans. Bit of a strawman there. Why would you conflate assuming most of the users on this American site are American, and the idea that this site is only for Americans?

But I don't think its unreasonable to assume a majority (or, at least, a plurality) of the users on this site are American. Even if what you said was true, I doubt any other country has ever had a larger percentage of the user base than the US. Even if Americans made, say, 40% of the userbase, and then all other countries combined make the other 60%, that still means America has a strong plurality of users over every other country.

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u/rivers61 Nov 07 '21

I looked it up and nearly 48% of users live in the US. The next highest is the UK at 7.6%. It's pretty obvious that it's an American website, but you can keep acting like there is some unspoken European union of Reddit users that can even begin to match the number of Americans

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u/TDA792 Nov 07 '21

I'd say it was kafkaesque - hopefully I'm using that right.

Is it really that difficult for some Americans to get two days off in a row? My European ass just had five days off in a row purely because I had PTO left over and my company told me I had to take it.

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u/bremidon Nov 07 '21

Is it really that difficult for some Americans to get two days off in a row

In some service industries, yes. It's a scheduling problem made almost impossible by the business realities and regulations. When I worked in the States, I never had trouble getting 2 days off except when I did a stint at Burger King as a teenager.

It's not really different here in Germany. If you work in retail, you are going to have trouble getting 2 days off reliably, and that's with Sunday being off by law.

If you have ever tried to do scheduling where you must have certain skills present at all time, *and* you are trying to work around vacation times (more a German problem), *and* you are avoiding situations prevented by law / common sense, *and* you are trying to avoid scheduling Dirk and Daniel at the same time because they cannot stand each other, *and* you are trying to deal with people getting sick, * and* you want to give each person a competitive wage...well, you know it's a challenge.

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u/DrakPhenious Nov 07 '21

In America you can use PTO like that, but the company doesn't want you to know that or do it. Its lost productivity. So in their PTO there is a clause that states that you can use it but lose it at the end of they year. Some even go so far as to let you pay out some of it but upto a limit. Some places don't even have PTO as its not a law until its offered.

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u/petevalle Nov 07 '21

Other countries have problems. They're just not as relatable/relevant to most of Reddit so they don't get much attention.

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u/Mathev Nov 07 '21

What irks me is that most problems that get updated are office jobs. I barely see any construction work related memes etc.

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u/issded Nov 07 '21

We are here at r/funny, not at "everyday problems" or sth like that. I don't get your point.

Also I'm sure other countries problems can be relatable too. You just don't realize it.

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u/amorpheous Nov 07 '21

Not just this sub. Reddit in general.

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u/MaxErikson Nov 07 '21

Nope. This is how it works in Canada, too.

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u/JAYCEECAM Nov 08 '21 edited Nov 08 '21

Pull yourself by the bootstraps and suck it up? Nah I'm good. I did retail in high school and I told myself I would never settle for a retail job. The crap those employees have to go through is not worth the low wages.

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u/captainahob Nov 07 '21

A UK thing too perhaps? Honestly asking

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u/Bal-lax Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 07 '21

The only time I've had issues getting days off work in the UK was my last job. My boss was American and she treated holiday days like they were some sort of personal insult; it was bizarre and massively demotivating.

Edit: Sorry if this offends anyone, seems I'm getting downvoted - it's my personal experience, never encountered it before so find it odd.

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u/FunctionBuilt Nov 07 '21

I complained to my boss that I didn’t get a bonus for bringing in a client that spent over $500k with us. My boss said he’s never gotten any and he’s brought in tons of clients…well, you should! Ended up going over his head and got the company to instate finders fees for non sales people.

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u/jloper Nov 07 '21

Yeah, supervisors that deflect with stuff like "I had to suffer, so shall you", those are not leaders. What you went through isn't my fault. Take it out on whoever did it. Choose to be better.

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u/Goopyteacher Nov 07 '21

Imagine if she asked for 2 days of PTO lol

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u/ASVPcurtis Nov 07 '21

In a labour shortage either you be a good employer to your employees OR your competitors will destroy you. And if you can’t afford to be a good employer… your business is probably going under.

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u/Manofalltrade Nov 07 '21

“I worked 25 years before I made $10 and hour” ya, back when you could get sick off of 10¢ worth of candy.

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u/Empanser Nov 07 '21

This comic is terrible

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u/FesteringNeonDistrac Nov 07 '21

Yeah the plight of the American retail worker isn't funny

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u/Empanser Nov 07 '21

You could make funny "this job sucks" content but this is just whining.

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u/semiomni Nov 07 '21

Feels like Clapter: The comic.

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u/BobbyThrowaway6969 Nov 08 '21

I'm not sure if I'm slow, but can someone point out why this is funny? I don't get it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '21

How is this funny?

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u/MaxErikson Nov 07 '21

Because it makes me laugh.

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u/nimrodhellfire Nov 07 '21

Laughing in European.

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u/Aaron_Hungwell Nov 07 '21

Where is the humor? The punchline? Anything?

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u/Deathnfear Nov 07 '21

It’s just r/antiwork spreading their propaganda.

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u/DtheMoron Nov 07 '21

Me: “I have a personal thing (not vacation) and I need 2 weeks off. I don’t have enough PTO, but I’m willing to take it off without pay.” Manager: “You’ll have to use all of the PTO you have, and reschedule the days that aren’t covered, so when you get back you’re going to work 9 days straight.” Me: “Ok” returned and put in my two weeks and only worked my originally scheduled shifts.

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u/HenTylerr Nov 08 '21

So i had a bad case of eczema. It hurt to touch anything because my hands were so scabbed from itching. It went to a point I would straight up break down and cry when i got home because anything I did was miserable. So i finally decided after 3 months to see a doctor. My boss tried to say anything that would only get me one day off. So i told her "feel free to schedule or even fire me, im not coming in." They accepted this finally and i got 3 days off in a row. Point is, do for yourself first. Your job will make arrangements in these scenarios because finding and training someone new will take longer than your 2-3 day request. Minimum wage isn't worth maximum stress.

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u/Aurori_Swe Nov 07 '21

Another post that makes me happy to live in Sweden. I've had days where I've basically told my manager that "I'll be leaving work now and go deal with an emergency, I'll see if I can work during the evening to make up the time but I'm off now, just so you know". And then just walked out the office.

My kid was just sick for 4 weeks straight and I've been working from home when able to and had like 2 weeks of parental leave,most of those days off are communicated with my coworkers and boss at the morning of the day I need to stay home, nobody has ever questioned me about it, they just wish my kid well and hope he recovers from the sickness so I can come back :)

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u/HichiBoi Nov 07 '21

One of my relatives got leave when his daughter gave birth to his grandchild. (I'm not from us or sweden btw)

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u/Aurori_Swe Nov 07 '21

Sweden has mandatory 10 day paternity leave around delivery (not sure it would work for father of daughter who gives birth though lol). On a similar note I've been able to just walk out the office when my wife was pregnant due to hur puking all the time so I kinda had to take care of her for about 6 out of the 9 month pregnancy. I mean it's not life or death but it's nice that I don't have to leave her all on her own. I worked remote when I could and helped her when she needed me.

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u/Continuity_organizer Nov 07 '21

These read like they've been drawn by an employee who's never had a raise or a promotion and never had the self-awareness to ask himself if that ever had anything to do with his own behavior and/or attitude.

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u/TakeNoPrisioners Nov 07 '21

You do not even need to work in the Welfare State...thank you Brandon!

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u/Panthers8912 Nov 07 '21

Damn sucks the lady in this comic is that unskilled she can’t find a good job

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u/Bokbreath Nov 07 '21

It sucks that we treat our unskilled citizens so poorly.

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u/Bokbreath Nov 07 '21

That's not capitalism. Capitalism is a system where production is privately owned. It has nothing to do with how well you treat people.

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u/TimedGouda Nov 07 '21

They treat society poorly by contributing less than they take. Go read a fucking book and get smart. We have so many problems and never enough solutions.

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u/Bokbreath Nov 07 '21

Wow you are a shining light of hope and inspiration aren't you.

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u/tinyNorman Nov 07 '21

You talkin’ about the state of Kentucky?

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u/Ghostglitch07 Nov 07 '21

Being smart and being able to convince and employee that you are smart are two very different things. If you think service workers aren't contributing to society just ask yourself what would happen if they all stopped? Shit would fall to pieces.

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u/Lachimanus Nov 07 '21

Perfect, hopefully we have no unskilled workforce anymore at some point. Then no train/bus/subway drives, nobody at the grocery store, nobody to get recommendations in a tourist info.

Sorry, but we are still far away to automate all that.

These "unskilled" workers are the people who keep the world rolling.

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u/deezysteez Nov 07 '21

horribly condescending, lack of empathy towards others, judgment without any thought of why or how these people are unskilled and underpaid. u must be white. (see i just did what u did.)

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u/TimedGouda Nov 07 '21

Racist fuck. I just want people to take charge of their own destiny and build a better world without racists like you.

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u/creepyredditloaner Nov 07 '21

And what do you want people to do to support themselves while they get educated and skilled? Who do you think should be staffing low skill jobs? Do you think the need for those jobs will just disappear?

How about instead of justifying treating low skilled workers shitty we start building a better world by being better people to them first.

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u/Vincent_Plenderleith Nov 07 '21

Why aren't you building it yourself then instead of arguing on reddit?

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u/kolodz Nov 07 '21

In a world where everything is dependent of the collective. Having a solution that suppose that only the one in need have do to the evy lifting is dump.

Having 2 days of in a row is mandatory is most European countries. Like maternity leave. But, you are one of the few people that think other people doesn't deserve the same basic rights that you have.

And that was made by people complaining, not self bootstrap shit.

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u/GaGmBr Nov 07 '21

Read a book, eh? Okay

reads Das Kapital

Yep, you are still wrong

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u/rydan Nov 07 '21

Have you tried not being unskilled?

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u/Rixxer Nov 07 '21

define unskilled, define skilled.

now tell me how everyone can get from one to the other.

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u/Conscious-Parfait826 Nov 07 '21

Mmmm I love boot leather so I'll keep lickin.

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u/OKImHere Nov 07 '21

You understand the lady in the comic is licking the boots, right? Why does reddit always get this backward? The unskilled proles lick the boots. That's what she's doing when she asks for days off. Skilled workers don't do that.

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u/pitter_pattern Nov 07 '21

How, exactly, is she a boot licker?

She asks for something

Boss says no because "back in my day and change is hard"

She says yeah that sucks for you but that doesn't mean we don't deserve it.

Yes, yes, all that boot licking...

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u/Conscious-Parfait826 Nov 07 '21

Tell me you don't understand what "licking boots" means without saying you don't know. Lol

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u/OKImHere Nov 07 '21

Yeah, bullshit. Fail. Try again later

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u/Scoobz1961 Nov 07 '21

"I'm sorry you put up with that"
What a bitchy thing to say.

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u/Willastro Nov 07 '21

I'm sorry you put up with that

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u/rydan Nov 07 '21

I see you got a decent artist finally.

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u/littleMAS Nov 07 '21

To paraphrase Churchill, "It is the worst place to live, but it is better than everywhere else."

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u/tolae01010 Nov 07 '21

I work third shift and am so glad I get my days off together.

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u/NONEOFTHISISCANON Nov 08 '21

The joke is capitalism.

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u/SunnyChow Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 07 '21

You signed a job that can’t give you two day off in a row and you complain about it.

Imagine an astronaut signed to stay in space station for half year and he asked for 2 day off, like there is even a choice for him to go home as he wishes.

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u/Alexstarfire Nov 07 '21

Not sure how serious you are but you typically don't know your schedule week to week upfront and it usually varies. My friend get her schedule 1 month in advance, though many don't seem to have as much notice. Also, workers typically have input on the schedule. Classes, picking kids up from school, w/e else. This is assuming you have a human as a boss. That does seem to be difficult to come by.

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u/dugsmuggler Nov 07 '21

Imagine thinking an astronaut is an equivalent to a retail cashier.

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u/steve032 Nov 07 '21

Americans rarely have contracts. Nobody signed a anything. Nobody has any rights.

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u/spaghatta111 Nov 07 '21

Two days is completely manageable.

Unfortunately, I have been in the situation where an employee asks for 2 weeks off and gave me only a couple of days notice of this. When I told her I couldn’t guarantee any thing but would do my best to be flexible, she still believed I would give her the full 2 weeks off. When she realized I was serious, I was met with tears and accusations of screwing up her family’s plans and that karma would get me one day

2 days is literally 48 hours and people can deal with that. And sometimes people expect endless time off