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German government will push for a European federation News

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/german-government-will-push-for-a-european-federation/
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u/DrZaiu5 7d ago

Is there any opinion polls on how much in favour of a federation people are? I've checked Google but couldn't find anything

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u/nicknameSerialNumber Pro-EU | Croatia 7d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeanFederalists/comments/pfyuj4/should_the_eu_develop_further_into_a_federation/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

There's this poll from 2014, where the question was about a "federation of nation-states", whatever that means.

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u/potatobutt5 7d ago

This sound like how a sci-fi future would begin.

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u/Time-Priority2898 7d ago

Future is now, old man

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u/wischylini Prague 7d ago Silver Helpful

A sci-fi future where the internet sucks, people still use fax, and everyone's scared of digital payments.

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u/Grafikpapst 7d ago

Ah, the future where Japan overtook the world with their Gundams then.

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u/Sam-Porter-Bridges 7d ago

Nah, at that point Japan will probably be making the transition from 5¼ inch floppies to 3½ inch floppies. If you think Germany has it bad with using incredibly outdated IT infrastructure, wait until you see a Japanese salaryman retrieving an excel spreadsheet from 5 floppies stored in the basement, printing it out and then faxing it to his boss who works on the floor above him.

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u/jhaand The Netherlands 7d ago edited 7d ago Silver

Japan really is the manifestation of 1980s cyberpunk. While China went for full for futurist surveillance dystopia a la Minority Report.

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u/memoryballhs 7d ago

Japan was futuristic in the 80s, modern in the 90s, and is retro-futuristic now. Amazing journey

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u/Kevinement Bavaria (Germany) 7d ago edited 6d ago

Yeah, a lot of people think Japan is super futuristic because they see videos of speaking ATMs, self-cleaning toilets with bidet sprays and ramen noodle restaurants with touch screen ordering.

And then you visit Japan and you realise it’s all there, but the rest of it is like you time traveled back 20 years.

It’s such a weird dichotomy of very modern and very old-fashioned. Even the Japanese people seem to have this split of being very modern but having some really traditional and sometimes downright outdated views.

EDIT: just wanted to add, that I loved Japan and the people were extremely warm and open. I view Japan very differently now, but it has its own unique charm.

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u/TylerInHiFi 7d ago

The thing that really throws me is that they have speaking ATM’s. That are only available during regular banking hours.

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u/DontmindthePanda Germany 7d ago

ATMs have rights too, you know. Maybe they want to spend time with their families.

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u/Ipoopedgreenonce 7d ago

They peaked with the snes and it was all downhill from there

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u/Skolanthropy United States of America 7d ago

.... in 1996 right?

Right?

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u/Crique_ 7d ago

I think my favorite Japanese bureaucracy silliness story was a bank refusing to do an overseas transfer for a person from their Japanese bank account to their UK bank account initially because for the Japanese account their name was written surname-given name and their UK account had their name written given name-surname

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u/NineteenSkylines Bij1 fanboy 7d ago

A giant robot fumbling with a fax machine is something straight out of Asimov (although I think his robots use punch cards). Old school science fiction didn't really understand how computers/AI worked.

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u/gnark 7d ago

Old school science fiction didn't really understand how computers/AI worked.

Are you completely overlooking the positronic brains in Asimov's fiction or making some other point?

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u/AgeofSmiles 7d ago edited 7d ago

A german sci-fi future then lol.

Hope in a few years this joke will be pointless because Germany actually arrived in the 21st century.

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u/SlyScorpion Polihs grasshooper citizen 7d ago

The year is 2304: Germany finally shuts down the last fax machine in the world. The world rejoices!

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u/apolloxer Basel-Stadt (Switzerland) 7d ago

But how will we be able to communicate with time-traveling samurai then?

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u/PM_ME_BEER_PICS Belgium 7d ago

Japan will still use faxes.

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u/JesusAnalAdventures1 7d ago

No one said the samurai were traveling from the past.

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u/Flimsy_Ad_2544 7d ago

Strange question. With the minitel of course !

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u/AlphatierchenX 7d ago

Easy! Put a fax into a time machine and send it to the samurai!1!!

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u/Red_Dog1880 Belgium 7d ago

The year is 2314. Our heroes have to locate the last fax machine in existence to combat the robot uprising, in an attempt to shut down the mainframe.

Directed by Uwe Boll.

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u/monial West Pomerania (Poland) 7d ago

The Times:

Internet novel experiment/joke of John Titor ends up being real time traveller

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u/SCHEME015 7d ago

Japan will be that country. The contrast of futurism and the archaic over there is even bigger.

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u/AgeofSmiles 7d ago

Don't give me hope.

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u/RandomPratt 7d ago Silver

Just the cold, hard fax, then?

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u/cln182 7d ago

The year is 2305. The US still sends faxs to the last known telephone number of the German fax machine. No response. The use of fax machines will continue until 2900 as it is considered the only secure form of communication for the transfer of health documents in the US.

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u/stefek132 7d ago

Same in Germany though. Had to visit my doctor's office for my blood test results because they couldn't tell me over the phone if everythings okay, they can't send it via mail, only fax (which I don't have). I went and got the results... On a cd. I don't have a CD drive anymore.

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u/SlyScorpion Polihs grasshooper citizen 7d ago

My girlfriend also got her test results back on a CD here in Poland. Luckily I have a laptop with a CD drive as my main PC doesn't have one lol.

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u/CWagner Schleswig-Holstein (Germany) 7d ago

I have a 16 year old (roughly) fax-senden.de account with 4.27€ left on it. So not only can I receive them, I can even send them! Now a CD, that would be a problem (currently waiting for Christmas to rip two CDs I bought by an artist who doesn't like selling music files…)

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u/DJPicard2004 United States of America 7d ago

Still have to wait for japan to get rid of theirs

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u/Hussor Pole in UK 7d ago

Wait a second I see a pattern here

Does Italy still use fax?

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u/DJPicard2004 United States of America 7d ago

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u/xSilverMC 7d ago

Helmut Kohl really delayed us over 2 decades huh

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u/apolloxer Basel-Stadt (Switzerland) 7d ago

But the countryside is blooming?

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u/Nolzi 7d ago

Was he the one who cheaped out on national fiber lines in the 80s and chose copper instead, causing the internet to be shit in the whole country?

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u/xSilverMC 7d ago

Correct

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u/evergreennightmare occupied baden 7d ago

ever notice how there are no germans in star trek? it's because we'll all still be sitting on earth like "ach who needs dese newfängled 'star ships'? we haf all dese pörrfektly good volkswagen lying arount"

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u/Dr_McKay United Kingdom 7d ago

Volkswagen never recovered from the warp drive emission scandal

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u/J_GamerMapping North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 7d ago

Now that's a movie I'd like to see. Just Germans being Germans in a future that is quite ungerman

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u/Blumentopf_Vampir 7d ago

Hello? (T)Raumschiff Surprise? Did you already forget?

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u/Hendlton 7d ago

And half the countries believe in homeopathic medicine, which is something I only found out recently. Like why the fuck wasn't that banned a long time ago, instead of being officially supported by the governments???

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u/MrMetalfreak94 7d ago

Long story short, back in the 60s there was the huge thalidomide scandal, better known as Contergan in Germany. Thalidomide was a sedative introduced in the 50s, that was seen as particularly gentle, so it was often prescribed for pregnant women. Only that it had a high chance of triggering deformities in the unborn baby, leading to thousands of miscarriages and more than ten thousand babies born with dysmelia. It was a massive scandal when the news broke that the drug was responsible for those cases, which , among other things, triggered a reform of the laws regarding the approval of new drugs.
Among those reforms was the new requirement that an actual therapeutic effect had to be proven, which, as cazy as it sounds, wasn't necessary before. Which proved to be a problem for the already sizeable homeopathic community in Germany, since homeopathy doesn't actually have any therapeutic effect. So they began a massive lobbying campaign, going all the way up to the elites of Western German. And it was successful, they managed to get an exception into the German drug laws, which made it so that homeopathic drugs only had to be registered and their efficacy proven via homeopathic methods, not scientific ones.
And so we have the current situation that homeopathy is sold in pharmacies alongside proper medicine, giving it an air of legitimacy which goes so far, that a lot of people don't even know that it can't have any effect other than placebo.

Of course they are a few more reasons, like the proliferation of the antroposophic movement in Germany, but that is the major one

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u/Liz_Lee 7d ago

you missed the best part: only pharmacies are allowed to sell it, so you can't buy it in a regular store.

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u/MrMetalfreak94 7d ago

Yeah, forgot to mention that

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u/gnark 7d ago

Thalidomide was prescribed as the first real treatment for morning sickness and pregnancy-related nausea.

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u/DingDongDaddy45 7d ago Silver

Going for the diplomatic victory this time I see

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u/ThePr1d3 France (Brittany) 7d ago

I'd rather they try that than the other options they tried before

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u/eriksen2398 7d ago

Religious victory stalled after the counter reformation

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u/canadarepubliclives 7d ago

If you're going to give me a window I'm gonna defenestrate.

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u/msut77 7d ago

Lebensraum II

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u/Ziegfried_SvR Argentina 7d ago

Elektrisches Bögalö

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u/friganwombat 7d ago

I prefer the European empire so we get cooler spaceships

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u/NaithaTuatha 7d ago

ESA take this down: Cooler spaceships, laser turrets, laser guns...

Any suggestions?

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u/Cpt_keaSar Russia 7d ago

Missiles with sharks with lasers!

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u/RedditAmIAutistic 7d ago

Can't have an empire without an emperor.

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u/Magitorp 7d ago

And very fancy beards.

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u/czarczm 7d ago

Capital is moved to Rome

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u/LAgyCRWLUvtUAPaKIyBy 7d ago

Holy Roman Empire 2.0?

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u/Maleficent_Anxiety_4 7d ago

Istanbul renamed back to Constantinople

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u/SPYROS888 7d ago

Army deployed to the holy lands

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u/Bogger92 Ireland 6d ago

SPQR 2.0 the expanded edition

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u/mr-plaid 7d ago Silver Pranked!

r/YUROP: Business is booming

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u/iamdestroyerofworlds European Union 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote

FREUDE

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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie Germany 7d ago

SCHÖNER

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u/DanishRobloxGamer Denmark 7d ago

GÖTTERFUNKEN

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u/pam_the_dude Germany 7d ago Helpful

DÖNER

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u/hallumyaymooyay 7d ago

Spent about thirty minutes scrolling and still can’t fully discern what exactly the sub is, any help?

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u/awaythrowouterino 7d ago

It's a circle jerk sub for European federalists

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u/N1cknamed The Netherlands 7d ago

It's what r/MURICA is to the US. Extremely patriotic shitposts.

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u/RosabellaFaye Canada 7d ago

Memes about yurop by federalists, mainly

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u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 4h ago

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u/DewyMossEmpire 7d ago

Their first order of business?

Building a droid army.

The Trade Federation begins.

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u/Subject144 7d ago

Who gets the clones then

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u/Vik0BG 7d ago

Whoever executes order 66. Plot twist. It will be Kim and the GALACTIC NORTHERN EMPIRE WILL RISE AGAIN.

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u/meanassdoge 7d ago

Oh shit we're gonna have starfleet.

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u/xelaglol Italy 7d ago

FOR THE GLORY OF THE UNION

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u/pcardonap 7d ago

Holy Roman Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo

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u/Callateguiri Sweden 7d ago

I wonder if the Belgians would align more with the NE-LUX sentiment if the EU HQ were to be transfered to I don't know, say Vienna instead of Brussels, for instance. And to add to that, with far less representatives at executive positions.

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u/yamissimp Europe 7d ago

As an Austrian I'd be equally interested in how that would shape our perception of the EU. All the "Brussels" references might lose their edge if we replace them with "Vienna"... or on second thought, maybe it would make Austrians even more euroskeptic lol (people here aren't exactly fond of Wien).

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u/Zealousideal_Fan6367 Germany 7d ago

Shouldn't this be in line with Macron's ideas? I really hope that we can see some productive cooperation now with a much more pro-EU government in Germany.

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u/erwan Brittany (France) 7d ago Silver

The problem of the Federated Europe is that everyone sees it as a bigger version of their own country. They need to align their visions of what a Federated Europe looks like.

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u/poopersnooperpooper where 7d ago Silver Spit-take

What do you mean, are you saying Federated Europe won't be using Bulgarian as the official language?

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u/redvodkandpinkgin Galicia (Spain) 7d ago

I don't see why it shouldn't be among them. Why have only one?

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u/GoGoPowerGrazers 7d ago

Do like the Nigerians: Everyone can speak their language and make songs and stuff, but schools are all in English. That way Europeans will be able to use email scams on rich yanks and aussies

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u/Orange-of-Cthulhu Denmark 7d ago

I AM THE SON OF A DANISH DUKE AND HIS LAST WISH BEFORE HE DROWNED WAS TO GIVE YOU HIS DANISH CASTLE AS WELL AS THE JEWELS.

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u/alalaladede 7d ago

I hope so too. I was sooo dissapointed of our Merkel's lukewarm reception of Macron's propositions when he was elected.

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u/EdgelordOfEdginess Germany 7d ago

There is a reason she is in a Conservative party

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u/PanEuropeanism Europe 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yea this is based. According to the coalition agreement the new German government will reform the EU, strengthen the European Parliament legislatively, create European voting lists, set up a system of directly electing the Commission President, pivot to a more independent and strategic autonomous foreign policy and ultimately work towards a Federal European State. People act surprised but it was written in their party manifestos as well.

Europa über alles


Ode to joy plays

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u/mozartbond Italy 7d ago

the new German government will reform the EU

Yeah well, they will lobby for this reforms to happen. As much as I wish for the European Federation to happen, it still is something that needs to be agreed with all member states.

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u/ImageDefiant8633 7d ago

He's not publicly federalist but lot of thing show that's the final idea. ( European defense, european sovereignty )

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u/OneAlexander England 7d ago

The thing is Macron's idea of a united EU is an EU in France's image, with France & Germany as twin powers leading it. Which is understandable for a national leader to want, but it won't lead to the EU as a federation of equals.

Take his military initiatives... his big European Defence initiative was a copy of one that already exists, the only difference being his one will be based in France, and the big fighter and tank partnerships have France and Germany as exclusive Tier 1 partners with equipment developed and built in these two nations, and other nations allowed to join only as junior partners.

In foreign policy he often did the same, holding meetings with Merkel first to decide the course they thought the EU should take before asking the rest to follow.

Would Macron accept a true federation where Lithuania's voice mattered as much as France's on the international stage, and projects and spending were equally distributed across the continent? Would he give up French industry or influence in the name of unity? And if not would smaller nations accept that they are in a full-blown federation led by the "Big Two"?

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u/SyriseUnseen 7d ago

a true federation where Lithuania's voice mattered as much as France's

I do not know a single federation where thats the case. The Saarlands voice doesnt compare to Northrhine-Westfalias, Wyomings not to Californias, Siberias not to Moscow.

The question is, how much of a voice do the smaller states "deserve", given their population, soft and hard power as well as their economic strength? The current EU is pretty undemocratic in some regards (a maltese vote is worth like 5x a german one). There is some sense in weighting the countries unequally, but in a federation, less "important" countries will certainly lose some of their voice.

Well, Im not the one to solve this problem.

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u/HucHuc Bulgaria 7d ago

Wyomings not to Californias,

They might not be equal when voting for president or the lower house, but both have 2 senators in the upper house.

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u/Greater_good_penguin 7d ago

Would Macron accept a true federation where Lithuania's voice mattered as much as France's on the international stage

Given the drastic differences in population, economy and military strength, I just don't think this is practically feasible.

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u/BlKaiser Greece 7d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

Apes together strong.

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u/singulara 7d ago

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u/DanThePharmacist Romania 7d ago

How German of them.

I jest. The proposition is intriguing.

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u/copaceanu Europe / Romania 7d ago

THAT is German speed! Yesterday they proposed marijuana legalization and today they're all smoked..

This would be extremely good especially for a country like Romania but I simply can't see it in the next 10-15 years.

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u/Mouthshitter 7d ago

hits bong

What if we if we created the USAEU?

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u/Vidmizz Lithuanian in Greece 7d ago

USAEU

United States of American European Union?

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u/Grzechoooo Poland 7d ago

United States of Afro-Eurasian Union. Also known as The Old World.

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u/yamissimp Europe 7d ago

Aka the first step to world federation.

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u/weedsman Romania 7d ago

Every time i got to the EU border crossing and I queue up at the “EU Citizens” line i get the chills… it’s amazing we (Ro) are members…

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u/copaceanu Europe / Romania 7d ago

We can just look at Ukraine to see what would have been if we didn't had joined UE and NATO.

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u/Kingdom-of-Christ 7d ago

Wait so now I dont have to hide my weed anymore while traveling through Germany???? If so, im planning my next holiday there woohoo

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u/Kayderp1 7d ago

Berlin is going to be crazy for tourists with all the clubs and new places where you can smoke legally.

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u/Kingdom-of-Christ 7d ago

Thats not really what im going for tho, im more of a castle and church visiting guy haha

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u/MrGerbz The Netherlands 7d ago

In general I'm okay with this, but the last time Germany tried this was a bit awkward.

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u/daftluva 7d ago

This time we will invade you peacefully

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u/boatsnprose 7d ago

FFS please. We need healthcare.

Edit: Oh, this is the Europe sub. I seem to have invaded. I guess that's in my nature.

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u/CanuckianOz 7d ago

It was all good until they demanded a greater share of the living room.

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u/tod315 Italy / UK 7d ago

Clearly claiming the sofa with a beach towel is not received well.

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u/Wuhaa 7d ago

Would likely makes sense to countries like Germany and France.

You won't find a lot of support for it in Denmark, and I imagine the same if applicable to other countries as well.

If they truly wish for a federation, then I hope they will do it separately from the union.

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u/theseanbeag Ireland 7d ago

Can't see the people of Ireland voting for it.

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u/Silkkiuikku Finland 7d ago

Nor Finland.

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u/LynnButlertronn 7d ago

Can’t see some of the Scandinavian nations being for it.

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u/idk2612 7d ago

Support in Poland for federation and any country in eastern Europe will be low. We have 30 years independence from communism and most people won't fancy this on symbolic level.

And this will just increase nationalist tones (at least in Poland). Message is writing by itself - Germany try to steal Poland sovereignty (again, like every 100 years, /s for this part).

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u/fjellhus Lithuania 7d ago

Guys, do you hear it? Somewhere faintly in the distance?

...FREUDE...

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u/BriefCollar4 Europe 7d ago

SCHÖNER

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u/Communpro Castile and León (Spain) 7d ago

GÖTTERFUNKEN

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u/Veraenderer 7d ago

TOCHTER

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u/Promedconcepts 7d ago

AUS

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u/paixlemagne 7d ago

ELYSIUM

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u/Oxygenisplantpoo Finland 7d ago

WIR

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u/untergeher_muc Bavaria 7d ago

BETRETEN

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u/sachsenschnitzel Lower Austria (Austria) 7d ago

FEUERTRUNKEN

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u/Dyf_Tfh 🇨🇵 🇪🇺 7d ago

HIMMLISCHE

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u/Swedishboy360 Sweden 7d ago

Shouldn't pretty much the entire last decade have taught them that massive changes would have to be made to how the EU operates for that to even have a slight chance of working?

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u/1010010010000 7d ago

I think the last decade has taught them that massive changes need to be made in how the EU operates, and this is their answer to how it has to change.

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u/mars_needs_socks Sweden 7d ago

Also, the answer from Sweden and other smaller nations will still be: no.

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u/reddpuntoit Italia 7d ago

Nooo I don't wanna be in the same nation as Sweden 😭

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u/MiniHamster5 Sweden 7d ago

Now listen here you little shit

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u/xelaglol Italy 7d ago

This was such specific dissing lmaooooo

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u/telcoman 7d ago

We feed you rotten fish until morale improves.

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u/Reutermo Sweden 7d ago

Afraid you will get to experience a real pizza?

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u/JShiro Europe 7d ago

Oh boy. There we go. You done done it now.

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u/xelaglol Italy 6d ago

What did you JUST 🤌🤌🤌👌👌🤏✌️🤞🤞👇👎🤘✊🤙👆👈👌👉👉👈👊👍✊🤲👐👐👏👇🙌🤙👎👎🤙✊👉👐🤙🤲👍🤌🤌🤌🤌

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u/StanleyOpar 7d ago

Isn't this how UNATCO from Deus Ex gets created?

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u/FallenBleak5 United Kingdom 7d ago

Germany has always wanted that United Europe.

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u/love_your_eyeholes America 🇺🇸 7d ago

I mean given the original German unification back in the 1800s I’d say they’re pretty good at getting people to work together.

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u/1403186 7d ago

Isn’t this exactly why Britain left the EU?

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u/DER_Fuchs_ Bavaria (Germany) 7d ago

With eastern europe? With the economic tensions between north and south europe? Nahh that wont happen in the next 2 decades

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u/Praisethesun1990 Macedonia, Greece 7d ago

I hope the federation is separate from the EU. That would reduce tensions and leave EU members with the chance to enter but not be forced to leave eu if they don't want to

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u/Maybe_Im_Really_DVA Japan 7d ago

This is what Cameron suggested no? A two speed europe.

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u/amelore Belgique 7d ago

We have a multi-speed Europe already, EU countries without the Euro, non-EU countries in EEA, various exceptions on some laws.

A federation for the countries that want it could be an extra speed.

I personally think it'd be bad for the EU, The Federation countries will do more in The Federation, and vote in the regular EU as a big bloc that other EU members won't be able to stand up against.

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u/akmarinov 7d ago

EU countries outside the Schengen, soon EU countries with the Euro outside Schengen and EU countries without the Euro outside and inside Schengen, etc

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u/derpyhero 7d ago

A federation would be incompatible with a multi-speed Europe, the whole point of a federation is that the constituent EU countries that join it stop being their own countries and become a federal Europe. In the same way that the EU has the highest control over agreements that non-EU member states are in (EEA), a federal Europe would have the highest control over multiple agreements, highly incentivizing accession for states that are already more European-integrated. The less European-integrated states would be no longer be willing to join as it would mean they would inevitably accede into the federation. It would have supreme hegemony over Europe. Also, you have to make serious considerations on how much sovereignty a country is willing to transfer, generally, a condition of a Federation is that none of the constituent entities can leave the Federation. Personally, I am in favor of a federal Europe, but it needs to be done correctly.

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u/zZEpicSniper303Zz Serbia 7d ago

Don't worry! Somehow magically as soon as an eastern european country joins the EU, it ceases to be eastern europe and joins central europe!

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u/MrBIMC Ukrajina 7d ago

Real Eastern Europe was being in Kazakhstan all along!

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u/MoravianPrince Czech Republic 7d ago

Kazakhstan

A fine addition for ESA.

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u/Dayov Ireland 7d ago

Part of Kazakhstan is in continental Europe.

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u/awaythrowouterino 7d ago

Bulgaria is still proudly Eastern European. Somehow we're more compliant than Hungary and Poland, despite refusing to associate ourselves with other Europeans

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u/oblio- Romania 7d ago

I'm fine with being Eastern European and (working towards) being rich 😁

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u/fractionesque 7d ago

Can someone explain to an ignorant person (me) how this would differ from the EU? I read the article but I still don’t quite understand.

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u/niteninja1 7d ago

Rather than the eu being a group of countries it would one country like america, venezuela, japan (basically any country recognised by the un). There would be no more france or germany etc just europe with a region called the netherlands for example

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u/Minecast Portugal / UK 7d ago

I'm pro-EU but I do think whatever a federated EU could achieve, so could a stronger union - kind of worried about loss of national identity but I'm sure there are arguments against that.

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u/medutis 7d ago

Don't worry, Germans will build a couple reservations for the native Portuguese, like Americans did with native Americans. You won't lose your identity...

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u/Assfrontation The Netherlands 7d ago

What does that mean? That the EU would be one country?

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u/Infamous_Alpaca 7d ago

It means that we are going to win Euro vision.

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u/Assfrontation The Netherlands 7d ago

We’d still have to contend with Israel and Australia

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u/nicknameSerialNumber Pro-EU | Croatia 7d ago

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u/fjellhus Lithuania 7d ago

The traffic light coalition also plans to strengthen the European Parliament by giving it the right to initiate legislation, a privilege currently reserved for the European Commission.

This is key here.

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u/xevizero 7d ago

I for one would not be opposed to that. And I swear I'm not a bot. Just a hopeless idealist.

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u/OBANIUMM Italy 7d ago

I'm not a bot

This is exactly what a bot would say

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u/xevizero 7d ago

You found me. Alien russian #00527 bot reporting in.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 4h ago

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u/RPofkins Belgium 7d ago

If it's then found out / leaked that pro-European federation voices were Russian bots all along, it becomes much easier to discredit any pro-federation sentiment as bots.

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u/tredbobek Hungary 7d ago

The numbers Mason, what do they mean?

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u/Flumblr France 7d ago

The numbers Macron, what do they mean?

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u/Chariotwheel Germany 7d ago

A DOTHRAKI HORDE ON AN OPEN FIELD, NED!

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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) 7d ago

Good bot

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u/WhyNotCollegeBoard 7d ago

Are you sure about that? Because I am 99.99993% sure that xevizero is not a bot.


I am a neural network being trained to detect spammers | Summon me with !isbot <username> | /r/spambotdetector | Optout | Original Github

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u/xevizero 7d ago

There is still a 0.00007% chance I am a bot. Don't take chances people!

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u/ItsACaragor Rhône-Alpes (France) 7d ago

Lies! Deception!

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u/Zealousideal_Fan6367 Germany 7d ago

Are you a bot?

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u/WhyNotCollegeBoard 7d ago

I am 101% sure whynotcollegeboard is a bot.


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u/LadyFerretQueen Slovenia 7d ago

Yeah I used to be hyped for that but I'm more and more skeptical. Ironically these subs actually made me start thinking that we small countries would basically be handing over control to bigger nations. I'm not ok with that.

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u/voidmage898 7d ago

People in the US complain about how anti-democratic the Senate and electoral college are, but this is, for the most part, the exact reason they were created the way they were.

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u/staticcast France 7d ago

That would mean unifying fiscally, diplomatically, and militarily: not a small task but hey we need to try to know what are the blocking issues.

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u/EazyParise 7d ago

Do they have enough City State allies to do this? I don't know if they have enough sway for a diplomatic victory yet

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u/fueelin 7d ago

"Euractiv" sounds like a yogurt that keeps your poops regular.

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u/syracTheEnforcer 7d ago

Isn’t this one of the reasons that Brexit happened? I know it was supposedly about “racism” and disinformation, but I thought one of the main arguments was they didn’t want a European bureaucracy controlling local interests. And the EU basically said “nah, we’re not doing that.” I’m not super well informed on the subject but watching it from across the Atlantic that’s how it looks.

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u/Silkkiuikku Finland 7d ago

Finnish media isn't even reporting on Germany wanting a federation. Maybe they're afraid Finns will become eurosceptic if they find out about this.

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