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u/GladMax Oct 17 '21 Silver Gold Wholesome Hugz

Roller coaster tycoon has taught me that you raise ticket prices as long as guests are still willing to buy them

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u/DogMedic101st Oct 17 '21

Then build as many shops as you can research, and put them at the exit of all the rides LOL

(If you love that game, try Parkitect, same kind of feel)

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u/RobotHouuuse Oct 17 '21

Surely actual theme park rides taught you to put the souvenir shop right after the ride? What RCT teaches you to do is charge for the toilets!

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u/BaskingSnark Oct 17 '21

What RCT taught me is that if it's raining, people will pay a lot of money for an umbrella...

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u/Middle-Management-85 Oct 17 '21

See also: every Disney park stall when it is raining. Like magic every one of them starts selling mouse branded ponchos.

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u/Splive Oct 17 '21

I remember going when I was 8. It started raining one day, and like magic the entire park flooded with yellow as a million people bought those things. It was wild.

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u/rajamatage Oct 17 '21

This was my first lesson in capitalism 😂

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u/Yakkahboo Oct 17 '21

"X was great value"

Sounds like it's too cheap to me

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u/IguanaTabarnak Oct 17 '21

I wonder how much of this has to do with how far people are travelling from to visit Disney World and how they're getting there.

If you're driving down from Georgia and staying in a budget hotel for two nights, $120 a head for a day at the park could be the bulk of the expense of your trip with a family of 4 or 5, and you might choose not to go because the tickets are so expensive.

But, if you're flying in from Colorado, Toronto, or Berlin, that ticket price is an almost inconsequential fraction of the trip's total cost, so the tickets being expensive isn't going to be a deciding factor.

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u/Make-Believe_Macabre Oct 17 '21

It’s a demand curve. The demand is still very high, so they up the price until they reach an equilibrium they’re comfortable at.

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u/InglouriousBrad Oct 16 '21

Trips off, kids!

Ever heard of Wally World?

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u/3MATX Oct 16 '21

Wasn’t a moose supposed to tell me something?

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u/TitaniumGavel Oct 17 '21

If I were creative, this is where I'd work in a joke about Ralph the Wonder Llama.

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u/tee142002 Oct 17 '21

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u/ADHD_Supernova Oct 16 '21

Just twist the tip and punch it!

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u/DangerMouse261 Oct 16 '21

After watching the Chevy Chase National Lampoons movies for years, I only just discovered last week that Wally World was actually Six Flags Magic Mountain. And I rode the same coaster the Griswalds did in Wally World. Best. Day. Ever.

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u/doesntgeddit Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

I never realized that until your comment! Screemy Meemy is Colossus. I used to always get in the back car because it whipped you around more, it broke the latch on my watch. There was a story that some lady got thrown from it and died so they fixed a part of the track.

Edit: I found the story on the wiki for it: On December 27, 1978, 20-year-old Carol Flores died after falling out of the ride.[134] The lap bar was locked in place but it proved to be ineffective, due to the woman's obesity.[135] This incident prompted Colossus to be closed for a year while the trains were replaced and other adjustments were made.

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u/NousagiDelta Oct 17 '21

Colossus has been reformatted with additional steel parts. The new version is called Twisted Colossus and it is easily the best ride in the park. Rocky Mountain Construction is a company run by mad geniuses. I could ride Twisted Colossus 10 times in a row and not get bored of it.

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u/WeeklyPrize21 Oct 17 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

Obesity kills :(

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u/NumberOneMom Oct 16 '21

I thought Wally World was a nickname for WalMart.

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u/hugedrunkrobot Oct 17 '21

It's also that.

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u/Euthyphroswager Oct 16 '21

🎵🎶 Holiday Roooooooooooooooooooooaaad 🎶🎵

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u/The_Nauticus Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

My brother took his 2 daughters to Disney World and paid for some sort of 'Princess Package'. $10,000 for a week.

Rest of my family looked at he and his wife like they were crazy. Doesn't look like I'll ever take my kids there.

Edit: This was around 2011

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u/southdakotagirl Oct 16 '21

I had a coworker who spent 2 weeks in Disney World. Her husband paid for everything for her and the 2 sons. She doesn't have to worry about money. She bitched about the time spent in Disney World. Her and the kids hated it. They were the ones who chose the place to go and planned the trip. Then they complain about it. Poor husband.

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u/Rtheguy Oct 17 '21

Two weeks at a themepark? Even a good themepark, that sounds a tad bit borring right? I have no idea how big Disney World is but I think you would have seen most things in a week, including most of the shows and things around it right?

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u/realjd Oct 17 '21

Disney World is huge, but if it’s 2 weeks I’m sure they went to both Universal Orlando parks, SeaWorld, Lego Land, and other nearby attractions. I hope at least. There are an endless number of small attractions around Disney also, everything from Gatorland to go karts to mini golf to a museum dedicated to the Titanic to the giant Orlando Eye Ferris wheel. I know a lot of people say they’re going to Disney but really mean they’re going to the south Orlando/Orange County area.

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u/Catasalvation Oct 16 '21

I was there with my father several years ago, it was just to see the sights. If you don't stay at the hotels in the park or get a ride to it you can save over $9,000 on that cost and have it be around $200 per person per day.

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u/TbonerT Oct 17 '21

They have hotels at the park with frequent free bus rides to the rest of the park for normal hotel prices, too. The All-Star resorts can be less than $150/night.

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u/Buttercup23nz Oct 16 '21

Wow! Seems like there's a fine line between old enough to appreciate and too old to enjoy. $10k is a lot to risk on hitting that sweet spot!

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u/Pigmy Oct 16 '21

We just spent 7 days there. It cost $2k. No frills or special anything. Just goto their theme parks for 7 days = $2k.

If you are asking why, because we enjoy it. I recognize that it’s expensive but going to Disney world is like going to McDonald’s, you know what you are getting when you buy it.

Our son is still young enough to enjoy it but old enough to appreciate it (13). All in all it was a good trip.

$10k? Fuck off.

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u/AnonymousWritings Oct 16 '21

Was the $2K including hotel stay? Or just entry passes to the park.

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u/vdubplate Oct 17 '21

We went to Legoland this year. My wife insisted that we stay at the hotel. It ended up being 7-800 a night for what was "all inclusive". Two weeks before we are to show up but many months after we booked we got an email telling us to get ready for our all inclusive hotel stay and our one day of park use lol. So what they do is over charge for their shitty hotel then try to trap you into spending more on the park after tricking you into thinking you paid for it. Day 1 we saw somebody get rejected at the gate because they thought they paid to get in. My wife fought w Legoland until we got the park given to us luckily they went back into the recorded call and the lady on the phone told my wife everything was included after my wife made them verify multiple times

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u/andreasbeer1981 OC: 1 Oct 17 '21

It's the fight over the contract negotiation details that wins their customers eternal affection <3

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u/forte_bass Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 17 '21

Exactly. You can stay off property or in one of their "value" level resorts for something approachable. Wife and i usually spend about $3-3.5k for a week there, but we love some of the expensive restaurants lol. Definitely possible on a variety of budgets - there's no super-low options but if you save up for a year or two it's definitely doable. I know some folks who go every couple years, and it's definitely enjoyable at all ages - Disney does a pretty good job of catering to everyone! Peak "teen" years might be tough but we're all pretty much insufferable at that age, lol

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u/SecretAsianMan42069 Oct 16 '21

Except now with pay per ride (lightning pass) the poors will just be watching the rich folk skip in front of them every ride.

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u/Noremac28-1 Oct 16 '21

Where is it?

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u/Emakrepus Oct 16 '21

National lampoon

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u/djamp42 Oct 16 '21

Just take a left on holiday road.

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u/ArianaNachoGrande Oct 16 '21

And just like that a song I haven’t heard in 10 years is stuck in my head now.

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u/USSImplication Oct 16 '21

If you don't watch Christmas vacation every year idk what to tell you. Look Reddit a deer

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u/Whiskey_Clear Oct 16 '21

Christmas vacation every year? You're the last true family man.

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u/i_love_pencils Oct 16 '21

Agreed. That and “Christmas Story” are my top 2.

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u/talrich Oct 16 '21

In 1981-2, at the initial divergence, Disney parks shifted from “ticket books” for rides to all inclusive “passports”. Before ‘82, patrons bought additional ride tickets at booths throughout the parks.

That’s probably a more important factor than the Latin American debt crisis, though it would be interesting to test.

Therefore it would make sense to use the first all-inclusive year as the baseline or account for supplementary ticket sales.

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u/ThePickleOfJustice Oct 17 '21

Not to mention, an unused 1971 ticket is still valid for entry today. Just had to play the long game.

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u/kaatie80 Oct 17 '21

Wait whaaaaat

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u/aCreditGuru Oct 17 '21

Yup they had no expiration on them. My son used part of a 5 trip punch ticket my parents used for me when I was a child and the wife and I used some A-E tickets. Guest services will handle any of the old ticket usage and when we went each A-E set equated to one park ticket today.

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u/MKE2421 Oct 17 '21

Probably more valuable to sell it

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u/gw2master Oct 17 '21

Before ‘82, patrons bought additional ride tickets at booths throughout the parks.

That's where the term E-ticket ride comes from: those were the best rides (as opposed to A, B, C, and D tickets).

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u/isocrackate Oct 17 '21

Oh, wow. I never knew that’s where the term came from.

Let’s not dwell on what I’ve been using as headcannon to explain that for the past 20 years.

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u/mshcat Oct 17 '21

Tell us

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u/shhalahr Oct 17 '21

I only knew the term from Weird Al's "Jurassic Park" until a few months ago, when I finally decided to look up what it meant.

Mind you, I had the album Alapalooza on cassette not long after it was released. So, y'know, it's been the better part of thirty years.

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u/Mediocre_Oven2262 Oct 16 '21

Yeah exactly this. In 1971 your ticket only got you in the door it didn’t include any rides at all. You had to pay extra for those.

Also the 2021 price is for a 1 day ticket. The price per day drops significantly if you stay for more than 1 day, which most people do.

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u/talrich Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

True. The percent of people paying full price would be interesting. The last time I went, there were large discounts for multi-day passes and from various purchasing groups (AAA, military, etc).

On the other hand, in the 80’s I only knew people going with their nuclear family. Now I see trips with parents, kids, and grandparents on one-or-both sides. It doesn’t affect the individual ticket price but changes the demand characteristics.

I guess that’s all to say that lots has changed.

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u/KiMa14 Oct 16 '21

Where have you seen discounted tickets ?!? Only discounts I’ve seen them give are for military and FL residents

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u/talrich Oct 16 '21

I’m not an expert in Disney discounts but the last time I went we used a mix of military (max 6 people) and “Tickets at work” which my employer offers as a benefit. I’ve also frequently had discount offers associated with Orlando conferences.

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u/nomady Oct 17 '21

There was a point where they offered discount tickets to Canadians, you had to actually show your passport when you were purchasing the ticket. I doubt they are offering those deals right now.

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u/TheFailingHero Oct 16 '21

It's currently $109 for a day or $54/day for 10 days. At day 4 it's 105/day it starts to plummet pretty linearly after that

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u/AGreatBandName Oct 17 '21 edited Oct 17 '21

Just a heads up, those are the minimum prices, and the actual price depends on the dates you pick (based on demand?)

For example through the rest of this year, the cheapest single day ticket is $133. The most expensive is the week after Christmas at $159.

Edit to add: The first day I found those $109 tickets was August 22 of next year.

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u/elfonzi37 Oct 17 '21

Yeah because the likelihood of you staying at their resort goes up monumentally for anything over a weekend of visits. So while the mouse makes less per day on tickets they make a ton more per guest per day on average.

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u/SuperSMT OC: 1 Oct 16 '21

Most people go more than one day, but i can't imagine there's too many 5+ day-trippers

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 17 '21

I’m a bit of a day tripper myself

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u/therealuser42 Oct 17 '21

how long did it take you to find out?

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u/acroporaguardian Oct 17 '21

Oh, I found out

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u/SuperSMT OC: 1 Oct 17 '21

One way ticket yeaah

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u/Saith_Cassus Oct 17 '21

That’s probably a more important factor than the Latin American debt crisis, though it would be interesting to test

In my brain, you are suggesting that we engineer a debt crisis in Latin America, then see how Disney World responds, for science.

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u/rmstone Oct 17 '21

This should be the top comment. Re-do the graph with 82 as the starting date.

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u/Klin24 Oct 16 '21

Yea you still have to wait in line 3 hours to get on a ride. They charge what people are willing to pay.

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u/SaltMineSpelunker Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

Demand be high and supply be low. It do be like that.

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u/neums08 Oct 16 '21

Clearly we need more Disney Worlds

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u/kurttheflirt Oct 16 '21 Take My Energy

I’ve honestly wondered why they don’t build a third Disney resort in the US. Eiher in Texas or Vegas would be good options in my opinion.

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u/1mikeg Oct 16 '21

They tried in Virginia and it failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney's_America

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u/kurttheflirt Oct 17 '21

Yeah that was a very different Disney and a very tone deaf park. I was thinking of just a normal Disney park in the middle of nowhere Texas or the desert near Vegas. Both which are very business friendly to this type of development.

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u/Dark-W0LF Oct 17 '21

Vegas would make less sense since Disney land is one state over, something more central would make more sense, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee..

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u/NotQuiteNewt Oct 17 '21 edited Oct 17 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

I'm sure there are reasons why they haven't, but I am continuously surprised that they haven't built one where it snows at least once or twice a year.

They have Cinderella's Castle in Florida, and Aurora's Castle in California...why not Elsa's Ice Palace somewhere between the two, North of the hurricanes and absurd heat?

And if a blizzard did shut everything down, they could market it as "Elsa is having a rough day" or whatever.

Edit: Also: flyover states love Disney World. Rabid for it. Listen, I may have replaced my Disney Pass with a Costco membership when I moved away, but I know what sells, and plane tickets across the country to go to DISNEY WORLD duckin sell.

You think Middle America won't lose their minds and wallets for a closer all-inclusive Magical Family Vacation?

"But the point of a vacation is to get away" have you ever heard of these knockoff places with names like "Great Wolf Lodge"? If it's more than an hour away it's considered exotic!

"Yeah but all those areas are rural bumduck nowhere" AND?? Cheap land bruh! Disney bought hundreds of acres of swamp and turned it into THE all-America vacation destination, other complementary and tourism-adjacent supportive companies FLOCKED there as soon as they heard what was happening and set up shop.

Disney MADE Orlando from a pile of oranges and alligators, you don't think they can do the same thing with corn fields and cow pastures??

I want Elsa's Palace, dammit!

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u/DeadlyKitten74 Oct 17 '21

Only Disney park (that I know of) that gets snow covered is Paris, although not every year.

It is pretty magical when it happens: https://www.laughingplace.com/w/blogs/disney-buzz/2019/01/22/disneyland-paris-snowfall-making-the-gorgeous-park-more-beautiful/

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u/Sea_Mathematician_84 Oct 17 '21

A Texas Disney park would make a killing. There are so many Disney adults in these goddamn never ending suburbs that would go so frequently.

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u/CTeam19 Oct 16 '21

Texas would make the most sense.

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u/meditate42 Oct 16 '21

That would make sense, i also think one within a few hours of NYC, Philly, and DC would work well. Somewhere in rural PA or south NJ would probably be a good location.

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u/CTeam19 Oct 16 '21

Issue there is when you deal with weather. Can't sell tickets in December in those locations.

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u/Academic_Ad5143 Oct 17 '21

Busch Gardens and kings Dominion both in Va do a huge business every Halloween and Christmas. People freeze there butts off and pay 6 bucks for a hot chocolate and regular entry fee. I’m sure Disney has some cold weather themed IP that would draw crowds even in frigid weather.

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u/MaybeImNaked Oct 17 '21

A Frozen-themed wonderland. Demand would be off the charts.

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u/meditate42 Oct 16 '21

Yup that is a problem. Still there are plenty of theme parks in those areas and they've been able to remain profitable. A winter wonderland part of a Disney theme park could potentially to be very profitable. I live near a place called Longwood Gardens that sets up amazing Christmas lights and decorations in the winter and its wildly popular. Buses full of people come from hours away and pay like $40 just to see them for a couple hours.

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u/Cleonicus Oct 17 '21

Many of the rides at Disneyland are inside, or partially inside. I feel that building a cold weather park is within the abilities of the imagineers.

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u/CltAltAcctDel Oct 17 '21

Every problem can be solved given enough money and material. The real issue is can you recover your money from the project.

Many of the indoor rides do not have indoor queues or only partial indoor queues so people would still be waiting outside. Outside in the northeast in winter equals cold. Snow removal would also be an issue. You'd have to remove snow from all of the walkways and that snow would have to put somewhere or melted. Even if you figured out a way to build completely climate controlled queues and developed a system from snow removal, it's still cold outside and navigating the parks takes a lot of outdoor walking.

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u/throwdaddy123 Oct 16 '21

Because its really expensive and will lead to cannibalization.

Why would you build a disneyland in Vegas when it's 4 hours away from LA?

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u/mikebeatrice Oct 17 '21

They'd be diluting their own market by competing with themselves. By staying on opposite coasts, they're still getting everyone from the center of the US plus foreign travelers. Putting a park central to the US would be mostly visited by US citizens that are already traveling to one of the other two campuses and it wouldn't be as visited by people flying in from other countries. It would most likely end up acting like a regional park, which wouldn't be nearly as profitable.

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u/IVIyDude Oct 16 '21

As a Central-Floridian, I am totally okay with this. Please go elsewhere.

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u/albl1122 Oct 16 '21

plot twist, instead of building more spread out parks Florida is just turned into a massive complex of disneyland resorts.

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u/LordSalem Oct 16 '21

Don't give them any ideas

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u/Waitaha Oct 16 '21

Build a fence around the whole state, charge tickets at the border.

An extreme escape room style vacation where the goal is to reach the castle at the center and queue up for rides.

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u/nagi603 Oct 16 '21

Periodically release a tornado as an event. (just sprinkle some toys into it.)

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u/seymour_hiney Oct 16 '21

they do that from August to October, sort of

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u/btveron Oct 16 '21

Isn't that what Florida already is?

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u/MyMiddleground Oct 16 '21

And the "castle" is chlamydia, right?

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u/Drawmeomg Oct 16 '21

I mean, if it gives someone with money a reason to care about sea levels...

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u/mcdougall57 Oct 16 '21

The Florida Disney prison complex.

Ha Ha you will comply 🐭

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u/jzach1983 Oct 16 '21

Trust me, no one WANTS to go to central Florida.

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u/p0ncedele0n Oct 16 '21

idk man, I've lived in central FL all my life and it's getting soooo crowded and it's a lot of out-of-state plates too. Mainly retired folks that drive 25mph down a 45.

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u/gizamo Oct 17 '21

Yeah, that dude's talking out his pooper.

Retirees have been moving to FL in drives for decades.

Mormons also want to be there, apparently. Scientologist's, too. Yikes.

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u/BIBLICALDIARRHEA666 Oct 16 '21

I went to DW back in October of 2018 because my best friend who lives in Orlando and loves Disney had just broken up with her long term boyfriend of a few years. I promised her we'd go to Disney to get her mind off it when I came back from my vacation. We went to Disney, specifically only Epcot. While we were there, the three of us, (her, a friend of hers, and myself), were chatting wondering how many people go to Disney parks per year. After a couple minutes, someone from a group walking in front of us turned around and said she had heard that the numbers for MGM were released for the day prior, (we were there on Sunday so this was for a Saturday), and approximately 86k people visited MGM in that single day.

Demand be high is an understatement. 86k to a single park in a single day.

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u/imperabo Oct 16 '21

This brings me back to the pre-internet days when we used to wonder about things and hear stuff rather than just know instantly.

Magic kingdom gets over 20 million visitors a year. https://magicguides.com/disney-world-statistics/

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u/BIBLICALDIARRHEA666 Oct 16 '21

For real. But still, knowing 86k just goes to show how bonkers that attendance rate truly is

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u/imperabo Oct 16 '21

The daily is kinda more impressive to think about. Like a whole NFL stadium and more wandering around the park at once.

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u/BIBLICALDIARRHEA666 Oct 16 '21

Well, while you're right about how the daily is so much more impressive, keep in mind that's strictly per day. Not necessarily all at once. Oftentimes people will park hop. Go to MK for half the day then go to Epcot the other. They will count as 2 people towards the overall number of visitors for the year. If people go multiple times in a single year, they count multiple times. Not necessarily are people in the park all at once, but for sure a Saturday will get a lot more visitors than a Wednesday for instance. Hence why the number given to us was so high

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u/Pigmy Oct 16 '21

I think the more impressive thing by comparison is the cleanliness of the parks. Goto a six flags and you’ll quickly see where a significant portion of the Disney money is spent.

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u/Timbered2 Oct 17 '21

This. Disney puts thought into every tiny detail, even if no one ever sees it.

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u/Grumlin Oct 17 '21

I used to work at WDW and 86k seems plausible but a little on the high side for Studios in 2018 depending on which part of the year it is. Epcot for example has a low of 10k a day during off season times while I’ve also been at work during New Years and we had 90k+ guests in the park at the same time. I think the average for Epcot might be be 50 to 60k in a day. But man those 10k days are nice, you look out and the park is just about empty and the longest line is either Frozen or Soarin at like 30 minutes.

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u/Whig_Party Oct 16 '21

They don't think it be like it is,

but it do

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u/twitchingJay Oct 16 '21

I loved going to Disney Land in Paris, but the lines were ridiculous; a whole hour to just enjoy 10 mins of the ride.

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u/gsfgf Oct 16 '21

10 mins of the ride.

More like two minutes lol. I waited four hours to ride Top Thrill Dragster, which takes 17 seconds lol.

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u/puffpuffpastor Oct 16 '21

Why? I can't imagine seeing that line and not just walking away

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u/TsuDohNihmh Oct 16 '21

Because it breaks down every other launch so you never really know how long the line is

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u/MarijuanaWeed420 Oct 16 '21

Intamin moment

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u/gsfgf Oct 16 '21

The line is always like that. It also breaks a lot, so it's not like you can really estimate how long you'll be in in line.

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u/beneye Oct 16 '21

Well, that’s their business model. That’s four hours you spent not seeing what else they didn’t have

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u/3MATX Oct 16 '21

Do they still have that fast pass thing where you wait in line to find out what time you return to the ride to wait in line? Hahaha happiest place on earth isn’t really that great once you’ve lost the innocence of childhood

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u/evilbadgrades Oct 16 '21

Twenty years ago when we went with my grandparents, the fast pass was awesome - get a ticket to tell us when to return to hop on the ride and enjoy the park to it's fullest.

Then five years ago we went, and our tickets only included two fast passes per person, and you had to reserve them early in the morning or online, which we didn't know, so there was only a few rides left to choose time slots for our "fast pass' which were at like 5pm, long after we were all done with Disney and ready to go back to the hotel hahaha.

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u/Lebowquade Oct 16 '21

Actually fast pass is gone now. You have to pax extra to "lightning lane" on EACH RIDE you do it with. Some are more expensive than others.

You want to fast pass space mountain on new years eve? That'll be 80 bucks.

Fuck the mouse.

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u/Gandhiglasses Oct 16 '21

Some rides are genie+ which is a one time fee for each person per day and then 2 rides in each park are separately purchased like you mentioned. But still your last sentence is still on point.

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u/rustyxj Oct 16 '21

The trick was to book them in the morning, when they're all gone, you can book more via the app on your phone. We used like 10 passes a day or so. Sometimes the open up more throughout the day.

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u/usrevenge Oct 17 '21

That doesn't exist anymore. Back in 2018 when we went that was how it worked. My sister the wizard of Disney world had use running around hitting all the rides 1 after another with like 30 second waits.

Like we would hit the ride and while in line she would say "ok do I just reserved tower of terror in 15 minutes"

Hell in Epcot we did the test track like 6 times in a row with no wait.

The only wait we actually did the entire trip was for the Avatar ride in animal kingdom. It sucked but whatever.

But apparently it recently changed and you can't just get fast passes. You can also apparently only do the ride once per day. And I think the bigger ticket rides you have to pay on top of the lightning pass which is what they call it now.

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u/andrewjm222 Oct 16 '21

You actually have to pay for that now

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u/MistaHouse Oct 16 '21

Wait, really? Is this just for Disney CA or every park now??

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u/omg_yeti Oct 16 '21

It’s at least Disneyland in CA and Disney World in FL. I’m not sure about the global parks. There is a service called Genie that sort of plans your day based on interests you enter into the app. It will try to load balance the wait times around the parks while hopefully getting you into the things you want to do.

Then there’s a Genie+ system where you pay a fee($15/person per day at Disney World), and it lets you use “Lightning Lanes,” which are basically what FastPass was, for all but the two most popular rides at each of the 4 parks. You can Lightning Lane any of each of these rides once in that day, and you can park hop to use it at rides in another park.

Then there are the top tier rides at each park. In order to Lightning Lane those you pay between $7-15 per person per ride(price depends on demand) to skip the line. You can do this up to twice in one day.

The top tier rides are as follows… Magic Kingdom: 7 Dwarves Minecart and Space Mountain Epcot: Frozen Ever After and Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure Animal Kingdom: Flight of Passage and Everest Hollywood Studios: Rise of the Resistance and Runaway Railway

The whole roll out has been pretty controversial, but we’re talking about Disney, so I’m sure they’ll still be raking in the dough.

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u/RugerRedhawk Oct 17 '21

Oh that's awful. We went like 2 years ago and fast pass for all of the popular rides is the only way we got to enjoy them

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u/Mapima69 Oct 16 '21

I was at Disney Paris last week and it was €15 per fast pass or €90 for the whole day

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u/nodogo Oct 16 '21

Actually Disney has stated the high ticket price is to limit attendance. They try to find the balance between the park being full but not completely overrun.

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u/No7an Oct 16 '21

It would be interesting to see how professional sports tickets moved as well, since they have a similar capacity constrained/monopoly pricing power thing going on.

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u/SplitEndsSuck Oct 16 '21

That has a lot more variation based on team and location.

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u/sadnyer Oct 16 '21

Also ski lift tickets. Those numbers have skyrocketed

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u/Cathay-kid Oct 17 '21

At some point you have to wonder if it is worth it.

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u/CatNoirsRubberSuit Oct 16 '21
  1. For the past 15 years, WDW Orlando has been the source of most of Disney's profits.
  2. Almost half of the land Disney owns in Central Florida is still undeveloped

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u/Nastidon Oct 16 '21

All they gotta do is sprinkle some pixy dust and add some magic and viola more caysh

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u/DreamMaster8 Oct 17 '21

Id argue disney strategy now is straight up targeting the uper middle class / rich because they spend more, require less staff and it mean they can increase profit without having to massively increase capacity. In the last 5 year they added so many premium acrivity. There's now legit microtransaction for ride interactions.

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u/sifterandrake Oct 17 '21

They flat out admit that the price increases are to control park population.

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u/Servosys Oct 17 '21

Yea but they have to leave a certain percentage undeveloped which is why they still purchase land around Orlando. So when they do build another hotel, it won’t effect their ratios.

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u/PieChartPirate OC: 62 Oct 16 '21

I went to DisneyLand in Paris last week. I was wondering how the admission price for such a park increased over time compared to wages, rent and gasoline prices in the United States.

This video shows that the ticket price for Walt Disney World increases much more quickly than the other mentioned prices. In recent years, the admission price is flexible, when that was the case I took the prices from peak season.

Tools: python, pandas, tkinter

Data sources:

Disney ticket price: https://allears.net/walt-disney-world/wdw-planning/wdw-ticket-increase-guide/

Gasoline: https://www.creditdonkey.com/gas-price-history.html

Rent: https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/average-rent-by-year

Wages: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html

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u/sah787 Oct 16 '21 Gold Wholesome

I feel like the data prior to 1982 is skewed since WDW admission tickets prior were separate from ride tickets. The big jump is when they moved to an all-inclusive ticket.

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u/purerockfury Oct 16 '21

Also isn’t that when Epcot opened and it became more than just the Magic Kingdom essentially?

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u/words_words_words_ Oct 16 '21

Correct. Though I would argue Michael Eisner is the real catalyst that marked the property’s switch to a resort destination rather than a one or two day weekend destination.

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u/Thybro Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

I mean, are we not even gonna factor in the Disney renaissance? The 90s made Disney properties incredibly valuable and with increase demand for a limited product comes increase in pricing.

Switching to resort would have cause the initial bump but not the steady uninterrupted rise.

A slew of popular movies to make and attractions to match are a better explanation.

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u/RobPlaysThatGame Oct 17 '21

Also worth pointing out that before that jump in the '80s with Eisner, Disney was in real rough shape.

It was bad enough that before Eisner stepped in, the company was a weekend away from being the victim of a hostile takeover and broken up. Point being, the whole "keep prices low because 'Uncle Walt' would have wanted that" is part of what almost destroyed Disney.

That initial jump was basically Disney catching up to price hikes that should have been happening since '71, but weren't because leadship was stagnant.

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u/words_words_words_ Oct 17 '21

Holy crap, hi Rob!! If anyone knows what happened to Disney in the 80’s it’s you. I’ve watched almost all of your videos and read Disney War thanks to your recommendation.

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u/reddittereditor Oct 16 '21

Good point!

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '21

Did it also have something to do with walt stepping down and his death?

I've always heard he wanted it to be a magical place everyone could afford to visit. I'm from Orlando though, and that might be a total myth passed down through generations of employees hearing bs.

E* i guess he died in '66. I'm not sure why i thought he died right before i was born.

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u/BigE8986 Oct 16 '21

Nope, Walt never stepped down and he died before WDW opened.

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u/Televisi0n_Man Oct 16 '21

His plans for WDW were actually p insane- he wanted it to be it’s own self sustaining futuristic society...v interesting shit, imo

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u/KarateF22 Oct 16 '21

That is what EPCOT was suppose to be. Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. The plan got tossed when he passed, but it would have been very interesting to have seen how the original idea played out had it been ongoing through today.

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u/ImOnlyHereForTheCoC Oct 17 '21

Long after his death, Celebration became the very hollowed-out, superficial realization of that dream. Then Disney sold it and it went to shit.

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u/nomadofwaves Oct 16 '21

That’s what he wanted EPCOT to be. He wanted to open Disney world and have resorts. They couldn’t get enough land in Cali so he started looking for places to buy cheap land and central Florida was it it. Cheap swamp land and perfect weather. Walt created a bunch of shell companies to go around and buy land and then once the news broke who was buying it all up prices shot up. But Disney World is it’s own self sufficient place with a lot less red tape it’s called The Reedy Creek Improvement District.

https://www.rcid.org

EPCOT stands for

Experimental

Prototype

Community

Of

Tomorrow

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u/Zootallurs Oct 17 '21

Florida granted Disney permission to build and operate a nuclear power plant during the planning phase. Was never built, but shows how much the tail was wagging the dog.

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u/LoveIsStrength Oct 16 '21

Is there a way to include (via publicly available financial data) how much the park grew over that same time period w.r.t. operating costs including labor and capital investments like new rides?

Could include Disney’s market cap growth too

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u/tvbusy Oct 16 '21

Is it just Disneyland Paris which has shitty information or is it a Disneyland thing? I can never find a single toilet direction inside the park. Even their dedicated app displays toilets in... a f*cking list, like people go to a very specific toilet that is named after their favorite princess across the park.

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u/yes_him_Gary Oct 16 '21

I do love going to Jasmine for a shit.

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u/GL17CH Oct 16 '21

First link for your sources is dead

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u/_minus_blindfold Oct 16 '21

As someone who knows nothing of this, what was the original price and what is the current price? Other than your soul.

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u/DogMedic101st Oct 17 '21

A quick google search:

In 1955, park admission cost $1, and attractions then cost $0.10 – $0.35. There were 35 attractions open at Disneyland in 1955, which brought the average price-per-attraction to ~$0.23. Guests could buy attraction ticket booklets for $2.50, but they only covered eight attractions each and, like the FastPass+, they only offered one or two tickets per area.

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u/HoutenM Oct 17 '21

I love how this thread doesn't even have this info. I also scanned the comments for it.

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u/ToastyCK Oct 16 '21

Am I the only one a bit surprised to see how close rent and wages were in price increase?

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u/collectablecat Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

It's misleading because the massive increase in ticket prices is making other increases look tiny in comparison. Smaller gaps in rent/wage growth have much larger effects that prices of something than people might buy at most once a year (or once a decade)

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u/migueeel Oct 16 '21

Yep, 200% of 10$ is waaaaaay less than 10% of 150000$

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u/ToastyCK Oct 16 '21

That makes sense, and looking more closely, it looks like the gap is growing at higher rate in more recent years than it was the decades before. Terrifying indicator right there

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u/TreeEyedRaven Oct 16 '21

The funny thing is, my rent has gone up more $ amount than the ticket price but the graph shows the opposite. Using % instead of real numbers is very misleading when one thing costs $1500 and one costs $120. Disney isn’t a daily thing, it’s a luxury. You don’t need Disney the same way you need the other 3. If Disney wants to give the experience they want, then need their park crowd to stay a certain size. Raising prices is better than limiting guests in the park. People plan years in advance for a good Disney trip and if they got there 5 mins after max capacity it would be a disaster. It’s unfortunate, but we aren’t entitled to Disney, and don’t need it to live. Gas, rent, and wages are daily needs for most everyone. Now, going off what I can gather from the graph, prices are up 3,600% and are currently $140, that means they were around $4 at open. We should look at Luxury items against ticket prices, not necessities, because it’s not nearly as alarming at OP is making it look.

My rent went up more per month than the cost of a single ticket last year. Dollar amount matters, not % when you’re starting off comparing $4 to literally rent.

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u/MoonShadowArt Oct 16 '21

Is there a graphic comparing Disney park ticket price versus Disney park average wage?

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u/wheniaminspaced Oct 16 '21

Is there a graphic comparing Disney park ticket price versus Disney park average wage?

A better comparison would be park profit versus park average wage. Ticket price increase doesn't tell us much park profit does. Furthermore, the parks divisions profits are disclosed in Disney's earning statements, so you could 100% chart it.

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u/iced327 Oct 17 '21

Yeah this seems more fair. While I have no doubt that price has skyrocketed, I would think the park has also grown immensely in that time. Operating costs go up, ticket prices go up.

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u/KaiSosceles Oct 16 '21

This is the chart I want to see.

I have no problem with luxury businesses raising prices. If they raise them higher than the market wants to pay, they will lose out on sales. No sweat off my back, its not a necessity. Theres plenty of competition for excess money spent on frivolous vacation experiences.

But if that business raises its prices, and the value added is based in its labor force, and theyre not getting an increase in pay compared to the increase on profits--thats something worth talking about.

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u/Castianna Oct 16 '21

They don't care! They ship in all these college kids, pay them min wage and charge them for rent in their college program housing. Work them to death for a term or two and then send them home before they have a chance to get too jaded to kill the magic. Its actually a brilliant system when you look at it from the WDW standpoint but it's not great for the workers.

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u/fucovid2020 Oct 17 '21 edited Oct 17 '21

They do this to combat overcrowding…. And because they can…. Something is worth what people are willing to pay…. And people pay…. People finance the experience….

I remember an article a few years back that Disney confirmed price hikes… too many people can afford the experience, and attendance numbers continued to stay at record numbers, so they keep raising the rates to try and limit how many people have access to the parks….

I remember going during December with my son thinking it would be less crowded since it was cold and there wasn’t a single place in the park that you couldn’t stretch your arm out and touch people in every direction…. Literally walking every where shoulder to shoulder….

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u/FizzyBeverage OC: 1 Oct 17 '21

December is insane in the parks. Right around now, during weekdays, is your best bet.

Go when the most schools are in session.

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u/ddefaul Oct 17 '21

Also because Mickey does not like poor kids.

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u/Spider_pig448 Oct 16 '21

So all this means is that Disney tickets were cheap in 1971. It doesn't tell us anything meaningful about how well their pricing has scaled.

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u/Rusty-Crowe Oct 17 '21

But, you had to pay for the rides.

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u/ShiftlessGuardian94 Oct 17 '21

How are the Disney parks still able to operate with that level of price increase?! That’s like a once-in-a-lifetime vacation for me and mine.

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u/Head_Paper_Now Oct 16 '21

for a family of five to stay four days on property in a modest resort this year was $7000 american. that’s not including airfare food or anything. that’s purely lodging and five park hopper tickets for tuesday thru friday in peak season. that is obscene

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u/SaltMineSpelunker Oct 16 '21

And MFers still just pay it.

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u/theblitheringidiot Oct 17 '21

I worked there years ago. We’d have people all the time trying to pay for stuff with credit and would get denied like five cards in a row. I was young at the time didn’t really understand credit that well but yeah these people were charging the whole vacation maxing out multiple multiple cards. Crazy.

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u/rockiesareblue Oct 17 '21

I grew up in one of these families. Been to Disney World a couple dozen times in my life and at least ten Disney cruises. Didn't live anywhere close to Florida. My parents are nearing retirement and penniless. They're still going every other year, as credit card space allows. I've refused to participate since adulthood, and have no interest in ever going back.

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u/SuperUnic0rn Oct 16 '21

It may be more affordable to build a time machine and travel back to the 80’s to enjoy this park now. Would love to take my kids and I see the goal posts moving.

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u/ShutterBun Oct 16 '21

Park Admission did not include any rides for about the first 12 or 13 years the park was open. You had to buy separate tickets for attractions. The admission price was deliberately low for this reason.

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u/Educational_Wolf_569 Oct 17 '21

Went one time for one week. Spent approx. $10k. Enjoyed it - was aghast at the amount of money spent. Will never go again, but don't regret it.

Spent $10k on 3.5 weeks in Paris and surrounding area in France - eating in fine restaurants and seeing first rate theatre, cabarets and concerts. Included 2 nights stay at Versailles. Hotel was 3-star (and fairly spectacular). Top level museum passes.

Now THAT was money well spent. The comparison is - well - shocking.

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u/Kraz_I Oct 17 '21

Spent a week in Puerto Rico in 2016 and spent approx $700 including airfare, car rental, airbnb and food. Now THAT was a good deal.

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u/mata_dan Oct 16 '21 Silver

Stop animating line charts over time when they already have a time axis...

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u/i_like_the_idea OC: 6 Oct 16 '21

That's how you get the upvotes, tho

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u/Doomed Oct 16 '21

It's data is beautiful, you can't expect good data vis here.

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u/ohsobogus Oct 16 '21

Disney is overpriced six flags. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know fast food from fine dining.

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u/u4redterr Oct 17 '21

Walt Disney = overpriced crap.

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u/Starkheiser Oct 17 '21

I'm getting Jurassic Park flashbacks

We can charge anything we want, $1000 a day, $10000...

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u/youhearditfirst Oct 17 '21

My parents have 5 tickets with two days left of 4 day, all park passes from 1992. Each ticket cost $69. The park said they would still honor the two days left!

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u/landdon Oct 17 '21

Our family have been many times over the years, but I'm done with Disney. This combined with their recent changes to fast passes have made me very bitter.

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u/grodisattva Oct 17 '21

I went twice when my kids were little. Never again. I felt at every twist and turn they were just trying to suck as much money out of me as possible. Fuck Mickey

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u/cicci_cicci Oct 17 '21

I’ve always wanted to visit the Disney world and Disney land.. But this graph makes me not want to go anymore. Not because of the price but more so the principle of things.

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u/JohnnyCage_71 Oct 17 '21

Never knew Disney World is so expensive. So I calculated a estimate of 5 day park + park hopper ticket for 2 adult and 2 kid and it would cost someone belonging from my country to work for more than 1½ year without spending anything to be able to afford it.

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u/youarelookingatthis Oct 17 '21

The greedy mouse gets the cheese.

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