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u/jamesbong7 Oct 10 '21

Nigeria had a really good run from the 70s-80s. Why?

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u/jrystrawman Oct 10 '21

Two reasons I conjecture;

  1. Nigeria was a petro-economy post independence and went up and down with the fortunes of other OPEC economies.

  2. Measurement bias: Nigeria’s economy as a whole is notoriously difficult to measure (basic population figures are based on major assumptions that get reassessed). There was one point in the mid-2000s where the GDP doubled based on a reassessment of statistical measure.

There are other countries in Africa that have these issues, although likely less so for North African countries in this chart) but Nigeria’s size (100million+people) makes it pop and fluctuate a lot.

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u/grog23 Oct 10 '21

You mean 200million + people for Nigeria now

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u/HoratioKane Oct 11 '21

Nigeria doesn't have 200 million people. I would seriously doubt if we're even up to 150 million.

Vast swathes of nothingness here, especially as you head north. Somehow we are supposed to believe that unlike every other country in the world, our population increases as you head towards the desert.

We haven't done a census since 2006, and that was a total mess.

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u/SliceTheToast Oct 11 '21

Just read up on it. Looks like every census Nigeria has done has had issues with population inflation for political reasons. Wonder how many other countries that are either as poor or corrupt as Nigeria have inaccurate population numbers.

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u/HoratioKane Oct 11 '21

Truly is baffling that when you check populations of countries that are next to the north of Nigeria, they're all not more than 30 million each. Most of them like Northern Nigeria are mostly desert. How then is one to believe the massive population figures bandied about for northern Nigeria.

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u/Generico300 Oct 11 '21

Yeah, people in western countries take accurate statistics reporting for granted. It actually takes a ton of work and coordination to do an accurate census, even if you don't have political corruption interfering with the results. And it's even more difficult in developing nations where the rural areas tend to be particularly undeveloped.

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u/nwabit Oct 11 '21

200 million people in Nigeria? That must be a joke.

Unless the Nigerian prince has a really large family.

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u/spitfire883 Oct 10 '21

This is gdp not gdp per capita so point two is moot

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u/mucow OC: 1 Oct 10 '21

Knowing the population is important for estimating GDP because so much of Nigeria's economy is informal. One way to measure it is to a survey of a portion of the population, and then multiple the findings to match the total population. If your population estimate changes, that's going to change your GDP estimate.

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u/torchma Oct 10 '21

So in other words GDP is derived from GDP per capita, not the other way around.

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u/mucow OC: 1 Oct 10 '21

More of a combination of the two. In most countries, the majority of GDP is derived from official records of economic transactions, so you don't need to know the population for those. A population estimate is mostly needed for estimating the value of transactions that don't get captured by official records.

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u/plime97 Oct 11 '21

As someone who works in the field of GDP stats (niche field, I know) I can verify that this is pretty much the case.

Much of GDP comes from things like business surveys, household consumption surveys, employments surveys etc. which are weighted up based on knowledge around size of industries and their employment gained from things like business registrars/census etc.

This is not an easy task in many African countries, where records of overall business/labour force are unreliable.

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u/SUPERSAMMICH6996 Oct 10 '21

I think it more has to do that a lot of financial transactions are not recorded in some African countries, so you don't have the dame precise data that European/North American/Asian countries have.

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u/torchma Oct 10 '21

I was referring to the specific case of Nigeria and re-wording what they were saying more succinctly. That because of Nigeria's large informal economy, their method of GDP accounting starts from a per capita estimate and derives total GDP from that.

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u/DuelingPushkin Oct 11 '21

Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head. Try to pin down and estimate for the informal GDP per Capita them multiply by population, add large formal industries on top of that and you have GDP

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u/remarkablemayonaise Oct 10 '21

The whole chart is GDP not GDP per capita. I don't see any major swings (I'm not versed on African recent history beyond a few wars) so some of the swings could just be population flow for all I know.

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u/DoblinJames Oct 10 '21

From what I understand, they were able to export a lot of oil. Then there was a major conflict around the oil exportation, a failed coup, a democracy movement, and a lot of stuff generally got destroyed.

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb Oct 11 '21

The way it was described to me by a nigerian economist i worked with, was that the country was doing great, according to him, to the point of the nigerian dollar hitting a high of being worth 2 us dollars. Then they discovered a huge oil reserve, and the system the country had in place couldn't handle this enormous influx of money. There was suddenly so much money, that graft, corruption, etc. was suddenly easy. And then, the conflicts within the country started as people started trying to take more of those petrodollars for themselves and you end up with coup etc.

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u/CharonsLittleHelper Oct 10 '21

They have had massive population growth. And their currency isn't as worthless.

One thing to remember for less stable countries - a lot of the short-term variation in GDP has as much to do with currency as the economy itself since it's measured in USD.

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u/Jacern Oct 10 '21

Nigerian princes finally got someone to send them their money

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u/Vulk_za Oct 10 '21

The oil crisis.

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u/Schaden666 Oct 10 '21

South Africa ha d 30 years of sanctions.

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u/TinKicker Oct 10 '21

South Africa thrived during the sanctions. Post-Mandella has been a corrupt shit show, however.

I've worked numerous projects there over the last 15 years, and the steady decline over the last 15 years is palpable. No pie chart required.

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u/soullessroentgenium Oct 10 '21

To be fair, there were a few problems before Mandela too.

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u/Apercent Oct 11 '21

I can't believe people are still trying to glorify pre Mandela south africa

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u/elveszett OC: 2 Oct 11 '21

Indeed. People claim that it was better because white people were doing better... which isn't hard when you completely ignore the conditions in which 90% of the people (who were not white) lived. Not to mention how white people (who were for obvious reasons the most skilled for the economy) fled the country when they were forced to be... equal.

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u/Intilleque Oct 11 '21

A lot of the 👀 non oppressed races do this a lot in South Africa…I won’t be surprised if this chart gets reposted in a few SA subs so they can talk about how much “better everything was” during those days

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u/Krycor Oct 11 '21

They do that often.. in SA forums the minority whites love posting how great life was back in the day.. and then slap in life was better for non-whites despite apartheid. They also force the idea that equity strategies is tantamount to the same .. except that it wasn’t. If you exclude all autonomy of life and only look at it from a monetary basis plus never growing wealth outside of what you allowed for your race, then yes.. life was good. But crime was the same just unreported, future was non-existent, studies wasn’t allowed unless tradesmen, leaving the country a dream.. yah better hey.

In the mean time what they means is that while skills exodus of whites has been a thing since 91, non-white skilled exodus has ramped up meaning equity targets will never be reached. Why? When wealthy & skilled people prefer to rather leave than find a solution, everyone educated in the country who knows how narrow that wealth base is knows that there is no chance. This is not a SA problem though but an obvious issue where there is political change but zero else change. Corruption and fraud comes as people get tired of trying.. and of cause power corrupts harshly in an unequal democratic society.

But it’s a bit of local issues and also just opportunity in a globalized world where skilled immigration is encouraged by countries receiving them will always result in a brain drain.

Ps. Nigeria is propped up by oil but even that can’t save them much vs fraud & corruption so their currency is perpetually falling. Eqypt.. population size drives but water is a major limiter.

AU is having a big impact on Africa trade(free trade) and may benefit the continent.. but power issues, kleptocracies (incl SA) etc need to be fixed. Unfortunately the will to fix it I fear is far gone and you only have right wing types that want separatist nations as a solution.

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u/ZARbarians Oct 11 '21 edited Oct 11 '21

Common misconception (probably cause of propaganda?)

We were a very poor nation in almost all regards, not even counting the 40+ million people we just ignored. Did we have a high GDP? Yes. Did we miss out on years worth of technology and productivity because sanctions hurt us? Yes.

I think the main reason people believe in a "steady decline" is because so many people propagate that idea with very little evidence. What does a steady decline even mean?

Lots of evidence to the contrary to a steady decline. thoughhttps://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.ACCS.ZS?locations=ZA

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u/baby-einstein Oct 11 '21

what projects did you work on?
im a curious south african wanting to know what you made for us here

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u/Riptide360 Oct 10 '21

I like the bar chart in the lower right showing that the pie is growing for Africa!

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u/mdlinc Oct 10 '21

Agreed per my comments to OP. Would be curious to check sub Saharan separately even though SA would still top I believe.

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u/Quietabandon Oct 10 '21

Pretty flat for the last decade and the lack of growth, young population, high youth unemployment plus environmental degradation is going to result in a lot of instability.

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u/ExtraPockets Oct 10 '21

But now they've all got solar panels, smartphones and bitcoin on their side and I hope they win.

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u/Quietabandon Oct 10 '21

Smartphones help with micro finance and connectivity. Solar panels can help with electricity. But they aren’t going to fix corruption, armed groups, extremism and climate disruption. And cellphones and social media spread extremism and misinformation. Bitcoin just further enhances corruption and illegal activity. They still have high birth rates, low levels of education, lack of opportunities for women, lack infrastructure. Existing infrastructure like water infrastructure is degraded by climate change. A lot of new projects are shoddily constructed debt traps from China with an aim to extract natural resources, and empowering local strongmen who will align with Chinese interests. Which is only a marginally worse development than exploitation by western multi nationals. It’s going to be a rough future.

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u/TinKicker Oct 10 '21

It ALL comes down to corruption. That, and maybe a little more corruption. If you've ever done business on the continent, with precious few exceptions, corruption sucks the life out of any ambitious person or organization. The truly talented people know that the first step to success, is to GTFO.

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u/ExtraPockets Oct 10 '21

Nigerian cinema and music is making waves around the world and reaching me in the west for the first time in my lifetime. That's a leading indicator of increasing cultural confidence on the world stage. They have problems to overcome sure, but these have been beaten before by other countries. So I'm hopeful for the young people of Nigeria (and Algeria, Morocco and Kenya not too far behind for similar reasons).

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u/Quietabandon Oct 10 '21

I mean, Nigeria is a huge country with a lot of potential, and sure the internet and modern interconnectedness mean their cultural offerings are globally disseminated but until they have effective governance they aren’t going to be globally competitive.

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u/JadedCaretaker Oct 11 '21

As an algerian gtfo is the answer because most of us know that living is going up and opportunities are lowering for the average guy .

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u/MuumiJumala OC: 2 Oct 11 '21

The last 10 years is pretty depressing considering the population of Africa has risen about 30% during that time span.

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u/thedanyes Oct 11 '21

You assume the bar chart is adjusted for inflation.

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u/PieChartPirate OC: 62 Oct 10 '21 Hugz

I feel most people from the west do not know much about Africa or the African economies. For this reason I would like to put the African economies in the spotlight. I also always like the flags from African countries, they have incredibly interesting colours and designs.

Do you have an interesting idea for a future data visualization? Leave it in the comments down below.

Tools: python, pandas, tkinter

Data source: worldbank

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u/i_like_the_idea OC: 6 Oct 10 '21

Is the code open? That animation is Smooth as butter

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u/PieChartPirate OC: 62 Oct 10 '21

Not yet, I am working on publishing it :)

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u/i_like_the_idea OC: 6 Oct 10 '21

I'd love to see it when you do!

Great job. Didn't know that Angola is up and coming in terms of GDP!

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u/rossmcdapc Oct 10 '21

The capital Luanda is (from what I remember) a massive massive shipping port so I feel like the ripple effects of that are causing that.

I think they've got some level of oil deposits too

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u/klauskinki Oct 10 '21

Lot of oil actually. From what I know their fortune comes from it. Luanda is full of foreign companies and until recently all workers there were paid in American dollars which is one of the reasons why Luanda is one of the most expansive cities in the world

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u/IdiotCharizard Oct 11 '21

Why is other a pirate? That's a weird choice...

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u/TheRiceMan1013 Oct 11 '21

That's just his profile picture.

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u/IdiotCharizard Oct 11 '21

Ah. Didn't notice the name

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u/NomadFire Oct 10 '21

Do you have an interesting idea for a future data visualization? Leave it in the comments down below.

Richest cities in the USA from the time they were just the 13 colonies. Philadelphia use to be the richest city in the USA by far. I imagine the end result will be Philly being blended in with "other" while most of the pie chart will be taken up by SanFran, NYC and Miami.

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u/spikebrennan Oct 10 '21

City-by-city comparisons in the USA during the 18th and 19th centuries are very difficult, not only because of the lack of good data but because annexations make comparisons very hard to track. For example, the five boroughs of NYC were separate municipalities for a while, and Philadelphia eventually annexed all of the other municipalities in its county.

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u/NomadFire Oct 10 '21

Yea I wouldn't expect the graph to be accurate until maybe the 1910s. But even a guesstimation would be cool.

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u/hazelnutterbutter Oct 11 '21

It would still be very interesting to see even the last 50-60 years with the massive economic swings in the US. From the fall of industrial cities in the 80’s, the .com boom, recessions, etc.

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u/TinKicker Oct 10 '21

Detroit was the Silicon Valley of the Industrial Age. Just keep that in mind San Franciscans: all good things...

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u/Nouseriously Oct 11 '21

Miami won’t even be in the top 10.

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u/shivux Oct 10 '21

I like it but I find the countries swapping places distracting.

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u/kimchiMushrromBurger Oct 11 '21

Yes. Needs to be a line graph.

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u/Midnight2012 Oct 10 '21

Could you indicate the location of each country named, by at least flashing whatever color it is in the pie, on the corresponding geographic location on the center map?. I think know where these countries are located would also be impactful/educational.

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u/braaibros Oct 10 '21

Can you start with the flag of South Africa to be the pre 1994 flag and then switch to the new flag?

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u/babycry3am Oct 11 '21

Please do one Per capita! It would be super interesting to see how small countries like Sheychelles, Mauritius, Gabon, etc move to the top because of the economy diversification during the last few decades (tourism, financial hub, etc.).

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u/climbtigerfrog Oct 11 '21

I think it would be easier to follow if they didn't keep swapping in order/rank.

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u/experts_never_lie Oct 11 '21

I was thinking that connecting GDP/capita, Gini coefficient, and time might not fill one with optimism. However, I don't know of good sources for Gini coefficient data over many countries and years; it might not exist.

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u/grrlkitt Oct 11 '21

You are absolutely correct. I attwmpt to stay current with what's going on in the world, but other than a vague idea of the larger African economies I am seriously uninformed. The graphic was fascinating, primarily for that reason!

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u/ordenax Oct 11 '21

Please do for Asia, and if possible by dividing into sections of it. Such as Middle East, South Asia, SE Asia, Far East, Central, etc.

We have lot of American posts here. Please, put them on low priority.

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u/LegendOfDrizzle Oct 10 '21

Nice. Tunisia sort of blended in with Other for a bit but otherwise real fun ride!

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '21 edited Oct 14 '21

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u/LegendOfDrizzle Oct 10 '21

Sure, but GDP is commonly reported without consideration for a country’s population.

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u/BoldeSwoup Oct 10 '21

GDP shouldn't even be used for comparison between countries, only with the past values for one country, yet here we are.

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u/CL_oBrabo Oct 10 '21

Hail to Carthage

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u/xelaglol Oct 11 '21

You don't want some other salt, do you

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u/abhinandkr Oct 10 '21

Is "Other" actually piracy or is the image just a reference to your screen name?

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u/boikar Oct 10 '21

Should probably replace it.

The icon is present elsewhere.

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u/Magmagan Oct 10 '21

It would have been better without, his icons is already in the bottom left corner

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u/repeatrep OC: 2 Oct 10 '21

just a reference: see his Reddit profile pic

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u/abhinandkr Oct 10 '21

Yes, that's exactly why I asked.

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u/jcpenni Oct 10 '21

I assumed that it meant piracy

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u/JustABitOfCraic Oct 10 '21

Other is actually China. /s

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u/TimX24968B Oct 11 '21

or the DRC

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u/Stegocephelia Oct 10 '21

Yeah, I was thinking that too until I saw the bottom left corner. I thought it was some sort of weird racist joke for a second, and I was really confused.

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u/son_of_abe Oct 11 '21

I had the same thought as well until I saw it was OP's logo.

Just leave it out next time please!

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u/yaddaboi Oct 10 '21

What happened to/in Angola? Since 2005 rising strong and being 5th strongest economy to 2019 disappearing from the chart?

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u/imapassenger1 Oct 10 '21

Oil for the rise, dunno about the fall.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '21 edited 23h ago

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u/buszi123 Oct 10 '21

I think that the use of pirate icon as "others" is a bit unfortunate

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u/ExtraPockets Oct 10 '21

Somalia doing well. Seriously though how many countries make up the 'others' and what proportion of population?

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u/TinKicker Oct 10 '21

I'm surprised Somalia didn't separate itself from the pack early on. During the 60s and 70s, Somalia was little Monte Carlo. Crazy wealth.

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u/OwenProGolfer Oct 11 '21

Civil war will do that

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u/GoldenStateCapital Oct 10 '21

It’s OP’s profile pic

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u/wenasi Oct 10 '21

Doesn't make it less confusing to look at

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u/GoldenStateCapital Oct 10 '21

You’re right and in this sub making it look beautiful is more important than branding.

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u/hazard13 Oct 10 '21

Totally thought the Moroccan flag was a tomato…

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u/Elyelm Oct 10 '21

Damn, as a moroccan, this is all I'm gonna think from now on whatever I look at the flag of my own country, thanks for that.

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u/Bocote Oct 10 '21

Heck, it does look like staring at a tomato from above.

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u/darkdemon991 Oct 10 '21

Morocco actually is there because of selling alota tomatoes

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u/Comfortable_Rip_2870 Oct 10 '21

When was Zimbabwe the powerhouse? That's what i always hear about Zimbabwe

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u/Littlebiggran Oct 10 '21

Not since land seizures, shit policies, and hyperinflation.

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u/Comfortable_Rip_2870 Oct 10 '21

But it doesn't appear on the chart. When was it this powerhouse of Africa?

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u/Something22884 Oct 10 '21

Yes I've heard it called the bread basket of Africa too

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u/Cosme123 Oct 10 '21

It appeared right at the beginning for a short time

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u/Bassetflapper69 Oct 11 '21

Except that isn't correct, it states Zimbabwe in 1960, but Zimbabwe did not exist in 60, it was the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '21

It had a higher GDP than Morroco in 1982, but is not there. Zimbabwe began to collapse shortly after it became "Zimbabwe."

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u/wakchoi_ Oct 11 '21

Racist Rhodesian fanboys like to hype it up as some paradise every time.

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u/superbro314 Oct 10 '21

I would love to see this, but GDP per capita

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u/pizzanight Oct 10 '21 Silver

Am I the only one who find these fancy schmancy graphs with things jumping all over the place, showy, but not actually a very helpful?

A static line graph, with each nation being a different line could have conveyed the same information more easily and better.

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u/Cualkiera67 Oct 11 '21

I think that keeping each country in place, rather than change their positions bagged on their ranking, would be enough to make this pie chart more clear

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u/horillagormone Oct 11 '21

The countries shifting so many times was honestly hurting my eyes because I also had to keep checking the left corner to see what year it was. As much as I'm glad OP is covering some information about Africa, I couldn't watch it until the end.

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u/LaLiLuLeLo_0 Oct 11 '21

I hate these posts. I downvote almost every PiChartPirate post I find in my feed, they all have terrible utility.

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u/zergling103 Oct 10 '21

Morocco exports tomatoes, this is now canon

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u/kaiserguy1871 Oct 10 '21

It’s one of the world’s top exporters of tomatoes lmao

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '21

Lybia really went to shit after ghadafi got ousted didnt it

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u/NomadFire Oct 10 '21

Not just Libya but most of the countries near it. The wars in Chad, Mali and Niger are the direct result of Ghadafi's death.

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u/Duvangrgata1 Oct 10 '21

Yep. Obviously had issues, but it was a pretty successful economy and was improving before we turned it into absolute carnage for no good reason. Sad thing is that it really seems like things won’t he improving in the near future

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u/vexon837 Oct 10 '21

I know this is not your intention, but putting a pirate icon on the “other” economy gives a very misleading impression!

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u/fordfocusstd Oct 10 '21

I legitimately thought it was like rebellious forces. What a stupid choice

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u/teamtem Oct 10 '21

Population size plays a huge factor in the make up of this chart. There are other factors of course but population size plays a huge role on overall GDP in general. GDP per capita would tell a different story.

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u/lamiscaea Oct 10 '21

That is what you'd expect, but it clearly doesn't count for much in Africa.

Ethiopia and DR Congo (2nd and 4th most populous countries) barely show up in the animation. Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda are also shockingly absent. South Africa has 25% of the population of Nigeria, yet tops the chart most of the time

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u/teamtem Oct 11 '21 edited Oct 11 '21

I think you need to watch the animation again and also consider the FACT that there are 54 countries in Africa.

These are the top 5 countries by GDP per Capita (Only Egypt shows up in the animation)

  1. Seychelles
  2. Mauritius
  3. Equatorial Guinea
  4. Gabon
  5. Egypt

These are the top 5 countries by Population size (ALL of them show up in the animation)

  1. Nigeria
  2. Ethiopia
  3. Congo
  4. Egypt
  5. South Africa
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u/Mayor__Defacto Oct 10 '21

South Africa was/is a very advanced industrial economy. The problem with SA generally is that there’s an extremely racially segregated distribution of wealth, and a corrupt/incompetent government for the last 20 years or so. They had Nukes at one point.

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u/morphinedreams Oct 11 '21

Apartheid nukes brought to you by Israeli "you can't trust others with nuclear weapons" government.

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u/Mayor__Defacto Oct 11 '21

Sure, but the point still stands. It is and was an advanced industrial power, held back by extreme wealth disparity along racial lines.

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u/partypooper14 Oct 11 '21

Yea... but this is about the biggest economies, not the biggest economies per population.

This is like saying why Luxembourg is not mentioned in the biggest economies of the world when it has the highest GDP per capita.

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u/Uriel1339 Oct 10 '21

Why can't people just make line charts of this?

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u/oskie6 Oct 11 '21

Because it’s been proven this gets the most upvotes. I too hate the current time lapse-ing of everything.

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u/Uriel1339 Oct 11 '21

For me it's all about accessibility. Line chart everything can be consumed within seconds. This thing... I'm forced to watch and rewind since I can't remember everything.

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u/alilja Oct 11 '21

what's frustrating is there actually is a column chart in the bottom right that's a far, far better representation of the data because it also shows the growth of the economies as a whole and not just the distribution...

not to mention that if the single largest segment in your chart is "other" you done fucked up

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u/karamany2 Oct 10 '21

Good that Egypt's still growing even when we had 2 revolutions in the last decade.

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u/robotobio Oct 11 '21

Yes, but I kindly ask for Nigeria and South Africa to tone it down a little so we can get first place next year :| /j

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u/halfs2010 Oct 11 '21

+Coup & clashes

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u/Vladfilen Oct 11 '21

Can we note that Morocco economy focuses more on the agriculture and services, unlike her other sisters who have have more valuable natural resources.

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u/Princearslan909 Oct 11 '21

Yup considering that morroco doesn't have much valuable natural resources like gas or oil , and yet it's one of the top 5 is quite commendable

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u/mdlinc Oct 10 '21

Would be curious for a subset just for sub Saharan. eg, Botswana has a come a bit. Not sure how compares to SA but just a point of curiosity since most larger economies are north.

Good stuff!

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u/Torugu Oct 10 '21

Without even looking up the data, there is no way that Botswana would show up, even if you excluded NA.

Botswana has a population of 2 million (compared with Nigeria's 200 million). It's simply far too small of country to rank amongst the top economies unless you're counting GDP/capita.

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u/newaccount721 Oct 10 '21

Agreed, although that would be interesting to see, too

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u/FakoSizlo Oct 10 '21

As an South African I wish our country was run as well as Botswana. We have an abundance of natural resources and incredible infrastructure yet because of incompetence and extreme corruption our economy keeps shrinking . Botswana have very little resources but keep growing because of a great government

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u/FakoSizlo Oct 10 '21

I wasn't aware. I guess we sometimes get so caught up in our local corruption that we overlook the obvious. I'll read up some more

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u/CultureLeading Oct 10 '21

What is your opinion on Namibia's economic and political climate?

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u/FakoSizlo Oct 10 '21

Don't know enough to comment

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u/RimealotIV Oct 10 '21

it really hurts watching Libya just drop off in 2011

jesus christ, i feel so sorry

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u/morphinedreams Oct 11 '21

Yeah Gaddafhi may have been insane but this doesn't seem to be better in any way except for other oil producing nations.

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u/Murakumotho Oct 10 '21

I was rooting for South Africa. Sad ending.

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u/Rum-Ham-Jabroni Oct 10 '21

Holy shit, Nigeria has a population of 200 million!

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u/gowonkeeptalking Oct 10 '21

Depressing how Libya fell off around 2010

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u/mclumber1 Oct 11 '21

South Africa looked like a first world country in the late 70s or early 80s based on my extensive research from the move The Gods Must Be Crazy. What happened to it?

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u/GCMars Oct 11 '21

Rampant corruption and awful governments, basically.

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u/eman_ssap Oct 10 '21

SA going for the loss. It’s a shame how corruption has destroyed that country

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u/_gib_SPQR_clay_ Oct 11 '21

Our currency devalued to about a half of its original value under a certain two term president who was a confirmed rapist and thought you could wash away aids with a shower….

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u/jay-jay-bird Oct 10 '21

Morocco looking like a tomato…

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u/Mitchy12345 Oct 11 '21

TIL the Moroccan flag looks like a tomato if you make a circle out of it.

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u/hippymule Oct 10 '21

Woah, shoutout to Nigeria. I had no idea they've been coming up like that.

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u/ExtraPockets Oct 10 '21

Nigeria could boom into the next superpower if they get their shit together. Very young and internet/business savvy population.

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u/Woah_Mad_Frollick Oct 11 '21

Nigeria is unlikely to become the next superpower of Africa or anything like that, as it stands.

The political situation of the country is really quite grim. Hopefully the North and South eventually part ways without bloodshed

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u/doc_grey Oct 11 '21

Perhaps not the pre-1914 North/South division, but a return to three or four self-governing regions with a federal fiscal system would really change the outlook there. There is a growing feeling that the people want this, but alas, too much to be gained by having a unitary system where all the oil money goes into one federal pot and is then doled out.

For the Lasso fans, we're gonna need much more than Sam Obisanyas standing up to change things.

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u/ggouge Oct 10 '21

Half the video i thought that moroccos flag was a tomato from the top.

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u/CptnBrokenkey Oct 10 '21

Go Kenya! Might be M-Pesa effect, might not.

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u/fromcjoe123 Oct 10 '21

I'm surprised that post Arab Spring that Egypt was able to beat out SA.

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u/Tinder4Boomers Oct 10 '21

Why are Ghana and Sudan the same color?

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u/Re_99 Oct 11 '21

looks like pirates hold the biggest economy of Africa LOL

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u/10kLines Oct 10 '21

I'd like to see the map of Africa in the center with the countries color coded to match the colors in the chart.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '21

South Africa going to shit

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u/SplitIndecision Oct 10 '21

Nigeria has nearly 4x South Africa's population while Ethiopia, DRC, and Egypt have about 2x. It's more that other African countries are coming up from abject poverty.

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u/Embarrassed_Unit_9 Oct 11 '21 edited Oct 11 '21

It’s also that south Africa is going to complete shit

Source dad is still stuck in SA

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u/OwenProGolfer Oct 11 '21

spunky Africa

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u/Nachtzug79 Oct 10 '21

Northern Africa doing surprisingly well considering how small proportion of the continent it makes...

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u/Etrinix_IU Oct 10 '21

It has direct access to the Mediterranean & the Suez canal. Of course there is much more but it's a huge plus.

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u/Killer52Panda Oct 10 '21

Theres over 200 million North Africans. That's 20 percent of Africa. Algeria for example is the biggest country in Africa.

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u/ThatNights Oct 10 '21

Nigeria is the biggest population wise Algeria land-wise

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u/rapedcorpse Oct 10 '21

Half of those 200 million are Egyptians.

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u/Woah_Mad_Frollick Oct 11 '21

And basically all of those are people living along a single narrow strip of land along the Nile

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u/doc_grey Oct 11 '21

It's not even one of the top 6 biggest countries. Landmass, yes, but that's irrelevant to your original point.

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u/CultureLeading Oct 10 '21

Sea ports and closer access to Europe definitely helps, not to mention a closer cultural and economic connection to Europe that goes back to at least the Middle Ages.

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u/jjolla888 Oct 11 '21

fun fact: before Gaddafi was deposed in 2013, Libya had the highest GDP per capita.

and for a period during his reign, it had a higher number than the average Europe GDP/pop.

then our military got to work and we crushed all that. its what we do - just look at the aftermath of our role in Afghanistan.

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u/the_alert Oct 10 '21

I thought “other economies” literally meant pirating

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u/bapo224 Oct 10 '21

Why isn't Toto on the graph, Would've expected them to dominate.

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u/Luketalor Oct 10 '21

Hm yes. Other. My favourite African economy.

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u/That_Charming_Otter Oct 10 '21

Please forgive my ignorance, but I'm quite surprised to see Angola so high in recent years. Was it that there was huge potential that took a while to emerge after Portuguese colonisation? Could someone with a better knowledge help me out as I'm quite interested.

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u/TwyJ Oct 10 '21

Why is the ivory coast not anglicised whilst the rest is?

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u/bachslunch Oct 10 '21

The story really is the rice of Egypt. Not present in the original graph (in the other category) to surpassing South Africa. Who would’ve thought that. I guess the fertile Nile (crops), a robust tourism economy, and shipping (sued canal) are the three lynchpins in their economy.

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u/SilasMcSausey Oct 10 '21

Huh I should go visit Other some time. Seems like that country has really got it's economy made. Pirate on the flag is a nice touch too.

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u/Wooloomooloo2 Oct 11 '21

Great example as to why pie charts are one of the worst ways to display data, even proportionality. The live histogram in the bottom right was a lot more informative.

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u/Infinite_Surround Oct 11 '21

Question for a leyman.

We are all used to seeing 'biggest' economies. Is there a way to measure 'best performing' economies.

I'm not interested in x is better than y nationalistic etc etc etc.

Is there an internationally 'agreed upon' set of standards in which people/economists/researchers look at and go 'well, this is the biggest but x economy is the best performing'

I think I already know the answer but am just looking for a bit more info.

Sorry if it's a stupid question

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u/wakchoi_ Oct 11 '21

Theres no real measure for best performing but HDI(human development index) and IHDI (inequality adjusted HDI) are two really good ones to compare the wellbeing of the average person between countries.

(HDI is a mix of life expectancy from 20-75, mean and expected education IIRC from 0 - 16 years and GDP per Capita 100$ to 75,000$)

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u/jakart3 Oct 11 '21

Rwanda and Botswana will be next

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u/notreallyanumber Oct 11 '21

Love that Ghana had its own piece of the pie, then lost it, then got it back at the end!

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u/kylorensgrandfather Oct 11 '21

Ethiopia is gonna displace Egypt heavily soon.

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u/experts_never_lie Oct 11 '21

I'm guessing a time-varying scatter plot of GDP/capita vs. Gini coefficient would show a dispiriting positive correlation, between the extractive sources and standing centralization of wealth.

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u/Ace497 Oct 11 '21

I feel like if your Other catagory is that huge you need to break it up otherwise it feels like a big chunk of missed info.

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u/wuttang13 Oct 11 '21

I went to HS with two princes from Swaziland. This was a long time ago in South Korea btw. I imagine they came with the embassy or some similar reason. I have no knowledge of their country but I did learn their grandfather had his picture on their currency, which at that age, I thought was the coolest thing ever.

Edit : Kinda sad Swaziland is still apparently in with the "others"

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u/Keenan95 Oct 11 '21

I remember ethiopia having one of the lowest GDPs, what happened?

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u/yuri_tarted_ Oct 11 '21

Can someone explain why Nigeria experienced rapid expansion followed by a quick decline?

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u/DrEzioAuditore Oct 11 '21

its almost as if as soon as apartheid was abolished, the south african economic share in africa went down. These graphs are kinda racist man ngl

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u/kadams3 Oct 11 '21

Would be better to show real GDP instead of percent, and also stop having then switch positions.

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u/rantori1408 Oct 11 '21

The biggest economy in Africa is China