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[OC] Countries that produce the most energy from wind OC

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u/justshtmypnts Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

China held the pedal to the floor.

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u/-Coffee-Owl- Oct 03 '21

Gas! Ga.. I mean, Wind! Wind! Wiiind!!1

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u/thiney49 Oct 03 '21

All Gas Wind, No Brakes.

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u/Foofsies Oct 03 '21

There's a joke about breaking wind here somewhere, but it would probably stink.

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u/TurboWafflz Oct 03 '21

I'm gonna step on the wind?

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u/-Coffee-Owl- Oct 03 '21

Toniiight I'll flyyy!

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u/Caroniver413 Oct 03 '21

And be your lover!

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u/DrainZ- Oct 03 '21

Yeah, yeah, yeah!

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u/Sheik92 Oct 04 '21

I'll be as quick as a flash!

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u/MakeAionGreatAgain Oct 04 '21

And I'll be your hero!

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u/hndjbsfrjesus Oct 03 '21

Red China? More like green China.

Note: I know that China burns several kilometricshittons of coal and bazillions of liters of gas to produce power.

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u/yesorno12138 Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

A tour to Shanxi (the biggest coal producing province in China) about 15years ago proved how bad it can be. Basically parking the car outside overnight, next morning a layer of coal dust covers the car. But they have been trying with all the renewable energy resources. China is big, different areas use different ways, like western part they use wind, south it's water, southeast more nuclear.

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u/pocketknifeMT Oct 03 '21

Victorian to Pre-War London must have been crazy. #10 Downing, the Prime Minster Residence is famously Jet black.

Except its actually yellow natural stone. It just was so coated in Soot for so long people simply thought it was black. They cleaned it decades ago and then had to paint it black to keep up with the expectation.

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u/Incrarulez Oct 03 '21

Kilometricshittons? Where is the coverter-bot now?

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u/hndjbsfrjesus Oct 03 '21

Sleeping. It's in the far east timezone.

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u/hoosierinthebigD Oct 03 '21

They came in and blew everyone away.

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u/viperex Oct 03 '21

It made the other countries look like they were receding even though they were growing

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u/BigBobby2016 Oct 03 '21

They really have, and not just in adoption, but in innovation as well.

I'm surprised nobody has come in to argue they still suck because of their per capita numbers though. This is Reddit after all. When China's coal usage is presented here they never bring up how their numbers aren't bad per capita there.

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u/PotentPortable Oct 03 '21

I was curious about that. What would be most useful would be percentage of power generated that is wind.

Wind per capita would also be very interesting though.

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u/droans Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

It's hard to really complain about their per capita numbers.

Technically, their wind energy PC is lower than America's, but so is their power usage in general.

If anything, America's renewable usage is lagging, but I think most people on here understand that.

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u/theslideistoohot Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

For most of the time that China was leading in installed capacity, they were lacking severely in production. Because they built the turbines but no transmission lines. It took several years for infrastructure to catch up and allow their actual generation numbers to increase.

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u/Demons0fRazgriz Oct 03 '21

Post now upvoted above yours is specifically about how China sucks cuz per capita lmao.

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u/DaBIGmeow888 Oct 03 '21

Why doesn't anyone bring up hundreds of years of industrialization in West and output over time?

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u/FuriousFurn12 Oct 03 '21

People do that all the time.

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u/Beast_Mstr_64 Oct 03 '21

People do actually or atleast I've seen some :p

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u/BeastofPostTruth OC: 2 Oct 03 '21

That is a different topic.

On one hand, we are discussing units of measurement and what is an appropriate quantifier that can be compared across nations.

The other is a representation of the historical and structural impact time has on a nation's energy output.

Two things, while related, are vastly different reasons to bitch about the graph.

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u/KlapauciusNuts Oct 03 '21

It's what you get when this site is primarily populated by America and commonwealth people. All those countries have very poor relationships with China and it shows

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u/BigBobby2016 Oct 03 '21

And I'm not going to pretend like China doesn't have its problems. But it is rather ridiculous how Reddit views everything about the country through a tainted lens.

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u/KlapauciusNuts Oct 03 '21

It was funnier like 2-3 years ago when the boogieman was still Russia, and every single comment against the liberal American discourse was a Russian bot.

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u/leopheard Oct 03 '21

Now c h i n e s e bot?

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u/derbrauer Oct 03 '21

That tends to happen to countries that are committing an active genocide and practice hostage diplomacy.

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u/Yahmahah Oct 03 '21

That tends to happen to countries that are committing an active genocide and practice hostage diplomacy.

You're going to have to be more specific.

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u/waspocracy Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21 Gold

As someone who has lived in China, the amount of misinformed people on Reddit is mind-boggling, but I have to keep my mouth shut. Like when people joke about “social credit”. I get it, they only see a country through one lens and have no idea what it’s really like. America shits gold and China is an awful genocidal tyranny apparently.

Perspective is something important that is often misinterpreted as an evil.

Edit: I don’t even think my comment is gold-worthy, but I appreciate the gift.

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u/AverageSeikoEnjoyer Oct 03 '21

Social credit is just a mistranslated name the western media has given to a monetary credit system like all countries have.

Chinese people are confused when westerners ask them about "social credit". They don't know what you're talking about.

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u/Jaytalvapes Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

I mean... I'm not gonna pretend I'm ultra up to the minute on geopolitics. But like.... What about the whole genocide thing? That's still bad right?

Replies off. Jesus fucking christ. The DMs over this comment ffs.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '21

Absolutely. The CCP is absolutely indefensible.

I think the main issue with China is that whenever any media content even remotely mentions China, the comments will be flooded with how China sucks, to a degree that doesn't really happen for other countries with similar human rights records. In some ways, this is a good thing because many things in China do suck, and this at least means they won't be swept under the rug and ignored.

On the other hand, however, this also breeds racism and Sinophobia, since many people seem to be incapable of separating a country's government and its people. This is a particularly important distinction to make with regards to China, with its oligarchic system and all, and ordinary Chinese citizens being more victims than perpetrators.

When people can't even watch a video of, say, a random little Chinese kid being cute without going off about their political views on China, that's a problem.

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u/TakoyakiBoxGuy Oct 03 '21

I'm an expat who has lived here for over five years, been visiting and studying for almost two decades.

I used to correct people quite a bit, assuming people were simply misinformed. Nope. Better to just roll your eyes, downvote, and move on. There's a few small subs where you can have a nuanced conversation (this tends to be one of the few larger ones where it can happen), but for the most part, better not to even try to correct the circlejerk.

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u/Jedi_Lucky Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21 Wholesome

When you adjust for population China is way behind. Germany is way out ahead and the US and Canada are basically tied which also makes me think the data source might not be 100% accurate

China 1.4 Billion - 281993 MW wind = 0.000201 MW

United States 329 million - 177744 MW wind =0.000357 MW

Germany 83 million - 62184 MW wind = 0.000749 MW

Canada 38 million - 13577 MW wind = 0.000357 MW

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u/PeruvianHeadshrinker Oct 03 '21

Now do by percentage of total energy consumed over that span. The answers may surprise you

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u/doughnutholio Oct 03 '21

By the same metric they are also way ahead in CO2 output per capita.

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u/takethetunnel Oct 03 '21

Way ahead as in they are producing less CO2 or producing more CO2?

Your phrasing confused me so I looked it up.

CO2 per capita

Australia: 16.8 metric tons per year

Canada: 16.1 metric tons per year

China: 8.0 metric tons per year

UK: 5.6 metric tons per year

USA: 16.1 metric tons per year

Production-based emissions: annual carbon dioxide emissions in tons per capita from Wikipedia

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u/doughnutholio Oct 03 '21

Way ahead as in they are producing less CO2

That's what I meant to say.

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u/ReVolvoeR Oct 03 '21 Helpful

It would be interesting to see wind as percentage of total energy output per country. Suspect China has ramped up all kinds of other power generation, both renewable and fossil.

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u/tenesis Oct 03 '21 Wholesome

Per capita would be also interesting

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u/khinkali Oct 03 '21 Helpful Hugz

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u/xmorecowbellx Oct 03 '21

We’re so high in Canada on the first graph because tons of hydro. You can see how we fall back on the second one focusing on just wind.

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u/Myleftarm Oct 03 '21

In BC the power company is literally called BChydro and owned by the government. They encourage you to use less power and give nice rebates for buying energy efficient appliances.

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u/xmorecowbellx Oct 03 '21

Same with ManitobaHydro.

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u/Myleftarm Oct 03 '21

I never knew that, TIL. Essential services should never be owned by a private company. I have not one bad thing to say about BChydro, which is pretty amazing really.

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u/xmorecowbellx Oct 03 '21

Hydro-Quebec too, that other poster mentioned, forgot about them. And Hydro-One in Ontario.

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u/Myleftarm Oct 03 '21

95% of power in BC is Hydro but only 25.7 in all of Canada. We are also building a giant hydro project in the North that is a bit of a shitshow. Really we should be doing more hydro and then selling the extra power to the States.

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u/xmorecowbellx Oct 03 '21

It’s actually much higher for all of Canada, like 60%, unless I’m missing something?

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.nrcan.gc.ca/files/energy/energy_fact/generation-by-source-electricity_03-2019.png

I think Quebec just signed a big deal with NY to provide them energy.

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u/Hero_of_Brandon Oct 03 '21

They're trying to privatize MBhydro because it has taken on some huge debt to fund massive generating stations up on the Nelson River and it looks bad on the provinces financials.

Even though MBHydro has proven their willingness and ability to pay down the debt without using taxpayer revenue, the Conservative government piles those billions in with the rest of the provinces debt and tries to consider them equal.

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u/Midnight2012 Oct 04 '21

So does that mean maple syrup is considered an essential product in Canada?

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u/Xyexs Oct 03 '21

Same in sweden kinda, having the geography for hydro is a massive advantage.

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u/YOOOOOOOOOOT Oct 03 '21

But sweden was 2:nd place at wind power?

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u/Xyexs Oct 03 '21

Yeah that helps as well. But it is easier to build lots of wind when you have hydro to complement it whenever the wind is low.

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u/hopeToKms Oct 03 '21

Yeah but like 40% of our power is from hydro, only a bit over 12% wind. At least in 2019, I would guess wind has increased the last couple of years.

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u/CheddarValleyRail Oct 03 '21

I just looked at the per-capita on wind generation. You guys appear to be the world leader there as well. And ABBA just dropped that new album. Sweden is fuckin' charging.

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u/-PunkNDrublic- Oct 03 '21

Plus have you seen Swedish people? They’re fucking beautiful. Being 5’10’’ with dark hair in Sweden made me feel like a troll person.

Fortunately the UK was my next stop so I got a decent confidence boost before returning home.

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u/CheddarValleyRail Oct 03 '21

I'm actually of both Swedish and British descent. I'm alright I guess.

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u/Joshuawood98 Oct 03 '21

Iceland really gets it the worst by a long way, 150+ -> <20 hahaha

who needs wind when you heave geothermal

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u/andrijas Oct 03 '21

holy crap, sweden and denmark :O

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u/DeerBunniesExist Oct 03 '21

Thank you! This means much more to me, since to me the post means "Countries that produce more energy produce more energy"

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u/twickdaddy Oct 03 '21

To be fair though, per capita maps also have can sometimes be biased towards lower population countries, especially if it’s just a relatively small margin between lowest and highest. For energy that’s not really relevant, but to be fair we’re also missing half the story here too, since this is just wind energy and renewable energy. To get the full story you’d want to see renewable energy as a percentage of total energy production per capita, as well as energy consumption data.

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u/SigfridNorman Oct 03 '21

Yeah, and another thing to consider is geographical size and location.

Take Sweden for example; we're a giant narrow slope with thousands of thousands of rivers flowing down from the mountain chain that ranges our entire length from top to bottom. Hydro is going to be far more applicable to our country than a flat desert.

At the same time solar power sucks for us. Up north the sun sets for an entire month without rising, and the sun sits very low the entire year round, be it that it rotates under the horizon and we get a month of darkness or over it and we get a month of light. That month of light is a lot less useful than it would be if the sun sat high like at the equator.

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u/Smaug_the_Tremendous Oct 03 '21

That's what this means too. We need as a percent of total electricity production not per capita.

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u/CrispyBacon_87 Oct 03 '21

Per square kilometre, would be neat, too. Germany is small compared to the US, China, and Canada, but look how much it produces. Canada sits mostly empty, and we barely make any juice from wind.

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u/Jake_the_snake94 Oct 03 '21

I had this exact thought.

It isn't really a surprise that the biggest countries in the world produce more wind power than smaller countries, they just have more space for turbines

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u/silentsam77 Oct 03 '21

Unfortunately it's not that easy. There is a lot more to building wind turbines in remote locations, especially transmission loss of electricity. With that said, we've done a great job of electing idiots for the last few decades. :/

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u/ten_girl_monkeys Oct 03 '21

Also, cumulative historic carbon emissions would also be great. Then we get the answer as to why the west should do more and subsidize rest of the world.

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u/Scrapheaper Oct 03 '21

It's a difficult one because countries with lots of wind power tend to generate excess power when the wind is blowing at off-peak times, and sometimes this power gets wasted because there's no use for it.

In the long term you need to pay for wind twice: once to generate it and once to store it.

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u/AthKaElGal Oct 03 '21

a way to store that energy more efficiently with better batteries would go a long way.

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u/Feroking Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

We use a hydro battery. Pump the water back up with excess supply to a holding dam and when power is needed run it as normal. Easily done with available technology and works well

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u/SuperSMT OC: 1 Oct 03 '21

Only with proper geography

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u/moleratical Oct 03 '21

And it's extremely expensive with it's own set of environmental impacts.

Don't get me wrong, that's still better than increased warming, but lets not ignore the unintended environmental consequences either.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '21 edited 27d ago

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u/BonesAO Oct 03 '21

Oh. That's smart.

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u/TrystyPotato Oct 03 '21

Probably chemical storage is the way forward. Energy density isn't even the most useful aspect of hydrocarbons, it is their relative lack of reactivity. You can leave a barrel of oil sitting there for years, with some minor stabilization.

If we could be channeling excess renewable electricity into a stable chemical storage means even at a relatively inefficient conversion rate, the entire issue of energy fluctuation would be knocked out immediately. Taking electrolytic hydrogen and using it to produce energy dense synthetic green hydrocarbons is one way this could be done, but there are undoubtedly more efficient ways too.

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u/Tonlick Oct 03 '21 To The Stars

US flipping its numbers back and forth.

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u/-JG-77- Oct 03 '21

I believe it’s programmed so that once the bar reaches a certain length, the number is flipped inside, but when China continues growing, the scale expands, shrinking the amount of space taken up by the US bar, and the number flips to the outside. This happens over and over.

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u/rabbitwonker Oct 03 '21

No it’s going back and forth even as the bar is consistently shrinking on the screen. Must have a bug in the code that’s rendering this.

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u/Gapehornuwu Oct 03 '21

To me it looks like the number just flips whenever it’s a new year. Only towards the end though.

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u/coolerbrown Oct 03 '21

What does that mean? My only guess was the number on the left meant a drop from the year before but on my phone I'm not sure how to go frame by frame

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u/killereggs15 Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

No it’s just cause the US bar was halfway through the screen. Look at the countries below, their bars were too small to contain the numbers so they kept the numbers outside to the right. Now look at China, their bar is so long, there’s no room on the right, so the numbers were contained inside the bar. The US right in that sweet spot where the numbers could barely fit on either side and switched everytime it got too close.

This could be fixed by increasing the max on the x axis

Edit: As others are bringing up (and I rewatched it a couple more times) it’s not necessarily the program choosing which side has more room. The US bar *is continually getting smaller while it flips. The switching back or forth is clearly just an aesthetic thing, but now it kinda seems like it’s just a software design issue.

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u/The_Glass_Cannon Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

I'm not sure that's it. As time goes on the US bar gets shorter and shorter, but the number continues to flip despite this.

Edit: if you look at some early points in the video, the number can go to very edge of the screen (e.g. China at 9 seconds). So that leads me to believe that it's just an error in the code.

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u/Kitty_Witty Oct 03 '21

My guess was that there is a brief moment where the number fits in the window (multiple 1's in the number)

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u/Thought-O-Matic Oct 03 '21

My thoughts were that its a conditioning issue in the code.

Something that qualifies the graphic to enter the bar itself once it's big enough.

But the codes logic is flawed on the event of a seeming downstream.

So the frame of reference is just a bit hazy.

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u/Th3MiteeyLambo Oct 03 '21

It doesn’t have anything to do with the data, it’s just how it’s presented

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u/ShelfordPrefect Oct 03 '21

You know what I'd love? A link to turn the source data from one of these "animated bar charts shuffling around" GIFs into, I don't know, a line chart with time on the X axis and quantity on the Y.

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u/topherhead Oct 03 '21 Wholesome

I hate these for that reason. A time series line graph would be so much more useful.

The only time these shuffle things make sense is when you have too many series. I can see it getting messy when you have 60 of them but that wasn't the case here.

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u/UselessBread Oct 03 '21

I find that the 60+ lines can be shown well using an interactive majigger where you hover to highlight or select/deselect and so on. Beats this gif nonsense.

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u/Spatentiger Oct 03 '21

But then it wouldn't shuffle! /s

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u/RichestMangInBabylon Oct 03 '21

But then it would just be a graph and not “beautiful”. Honestly even this is just an animated bar chart showing something mundane, not particular interesting data.

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u/brainDontKillMyVibe Oct 03 '21

Oh man, Australia where you at

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u/Cwhalemaster Oct 03 '21

our government just brought in coal and gas subsidies. You can't make this shit up

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u/dchievo Oct 04 '21

Also don't forget that they're also making it HARDER to own an electric vehicle of any kind in AUS. Ya'll government is on another level of being bought out by fossil fuel corps man.

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u/DangerousCommittee5 Oct 04 '21

Perth is 3rd windiest capital city in the world.

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u/redox6 Oct 03 '21

Australia should be perfectly fine in the future thanks to solar. Cant see a Mad Max scenario. Almost the same with the US. As a German I envy both in this respect.

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u/deva5610 Oct 03 '21

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u/jellied-cranberry Oct 03 '21

And to think you people have the largest uranium reserves in the world

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u/elephant-cuddle Oct 04 '21

We have government enquiry-after-enquiry into nuclear power in Australia, the outcome tends to be: "if only the rules were different, then it might be possible".

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u/SpacedClown Oct 03 '21

Govt. doesn't love burning fossil fuels as much as they enjoy the paychecks they get for doing so. My god would everything be so much better if we had better regulation upon lobbying, pacs, and super pacs.

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u/Ikhlas37 OC: 1 Oct 03 '21

Can we have it adjusted based on % of either total energy produced or land mass.

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u/gyroda Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

Yeah, a bunch of line charts works be useful here.

Overall, per capita, percentage of capacity would all be great too. Also, adjusted for total energy consumption (i.e what percentage of the energy generated was from wind)

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u/Raladnoj Oct 03 '21

I never knew that Germany previously had the biggest wind power capacity in the world, and I feel dumb for not knowing that

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u/Luniusem Oct 03 '21

Germany was pretty much the only major nation that really invested heavily in renewables before it was profitable, or even break even-able, had a huge role in bringing the cost curves down to the point we're everyone else got on board. Sadly, it's fallen off the pace a little bit as we struggled to build out north-south transition capacity and took too long to pick a lane on energy storage.

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u/CountVonTroll Oct 04 '21

Germany was pretty much the only major nation that really invested heavily in renewables before it was profitable, or even break even-able, had a huge role in bringing the cost curves down to the point we're everyone else got on board

Very much so for solar -- IIRC, around 2010 or so Germany even came close to having half of the world's installed PV capacity. With wind, Denmark deserves at least as much credit, and probably even more because they started earlier when the cost was still higher.

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u/BleibtStabil Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

It would be interesting to see the timeline from 1998 - 2005 cont. for Germany. This was the time of the first government with the Green party as partner, which introduced policies to bring solar and wind energy to an industrial level.

I only know from solar energy that their policies kickstarted the mass production and namely China (but also, e.g. Denmark for wind energy) took the baton from there, leading to rapidly declining costs for solar energy.

Edit: see u/coldtru's comment.

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u/coldtru Oct 03 '21

Denmark for wind energy) took the baton from there

Denmark was always ahead of Germany on wind energy as a share of generation: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/energy?tab=chart&time=1978..latest&region=Europe&facet=none&country=DEU~DNK&Total+or+Breakdown=Select+a+source&Select+a+source=Wind&Energy+or+Electricity=Primary+energy&Metric=Share+of+total

Germany has contributed orders to wind power companies in Denmark of course but so have other countries around the world.

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u/MacBookAmateur Oct 03 '21

My stupid ass forgot megawatts exist and read "MW" as megawinds.

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u/soljaboss Oct 04 '21

I'm stealing this.

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u/xijinping9191 Oct 03 '21

is there similar data comparison for nuclear power usage by country?

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u/ProbingPossibilities Oct 03 '21

https://youtu.be/EhY___IEwCA Here’s a good one 1965-2020. You can really tell which countries fell behind post 2011 and which are driving ahead.

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u/xijinping9191 Oct 03 '21

Thanks. Very informative video. Amazed at seeing US still dominate in nuclear usage to this day despite prevailing anti nuclear power sentiment in the country

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u/TheSquirrelWithin Oct 03 '21

Not for long. All USA reactors are reaching their maximum age and there's no new nuke plant being built. People who are so concerned about climate change should be backing nuclear power.

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u/PsychoGenesis12 Oct 04 '21

France tops that no doubt. Japan used to top it too but then 2011 happened...

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u/LlamahDuck Oct 03 '21

It's sad Australia didn't make this list as we have so much potential. Then again, we also have a crap government that doesn't believe in climate change and refuses to upset their fossil fuel donor buddies so it's not surprising unfortunately.

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u/Lutrek11 Oct 03 '21

I mean, it’s gotta be the people who vote these leaders into power… don’t know how it is in Australia but over here in Germany, the main reason we have relatively high amounts of renewable energies is due to pressure from the general public.

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u/Firm-Entrepreneur508 Oct 03 '21

It’s because an overwhelming majority of our news sites are owned by a climate denier who supports the current conservative government and is the sole reason they’re in power. Propaganda is rampant in Australia. The people are blind to what’s happening in government because no major outlet really reports on it properly. Obviously they’re not gonna go out of their way to read up on current issues unless it’s neatly presented to them. Around bushfire season there’s usually a bit of push from the people but without media support or sensationalism the outrage inevitably dies out. So yeah the people don’t really know what they’re voting for beyond a very surface level, thus why we haven’t made significant progress in anything in the past 15 years and are spiralling into a ‘police state’.

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u/NoseFartsHurt Oct 03 '21

They're literally killing you guys.

You guys will be the first to die on the planet.

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u/DrTrollguy Oct 03 '21

I'd say people dying from droughts in Africa already won this title, the Sahara is also creeping South into the greenery

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjy_JH1aaqU

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u/27catsinatrenchcoat Oct 03 '21

Obviously there are worse places right now (ex the Sahara, which you mentioned) but I'll add that my hometown in Arizona is likely going to be uninhabitable within 30 years, according to this study by a nonprofit group

We're all fucked everywhere, but the deserts (and the coastlines?) are in real danger in most of our lifetimes.

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u/Estesz Oct 03 '21

But the pressure from the general public also messed up our climate efforts, because the most capable source is phased out by next year.

Its cool that the pressure is there, but ultimately the anti nuclear lobby formed the opinion on those topics and those are widely unscientific.

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u/anom_aly Oct 03 '21

I don't know how they district in Australia, but they gerrymander the fuck out of districts in the US to manipulate who will win.

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u/thirteen_tentacles Oct 03 '21

Our voting doesn't really work the same

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u/leopheard Oct 03 '21

And have 10 hour voting lines and call that reasonable

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u/deva5610 Oct 03 '21

It angers me so much to watch them. Genuinely despise our "leaders".

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u/iDuddits_ Oct 03 '21

As a Canadian, I feel you.. So much space, so few people haha

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u/Feroking Oct 03 '21

Australia has the highest rate of solar per capita in the world with a big majority being domestic.

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u/ImportantPotato Oct 03 '21

On the other hand Australia is one of the world's biggest polluters.

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u/DefinitelynotaSpyMI5 Oct 03 '21

Per Capita generation for renewals Australia is just as good as most of Europe.

Wind and solar have skyrocketed since 2010. About a third of Australian energy is now renewable. It’s getting better.

The Government mightn’t believe it but most Corporates here do and have made pledges to go 100% green on their energy consumption so the power companies are having to go green to provide this without Gov support anyway.

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u/lolfactor1000 Oct 03 '21

This could have been a line graph and only taken 5-10 seconds the read. But because it's animated you now have to sit through 30+ seconds of pointless movement to see the data. And better yet, you can't compare the data over time because it doesn't show trends or change over time. Only the values at any given moment in time are displayed. So you sacrificed some of the potential data analysis and ease of use so it can move.

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u/LastAXEL Oct 03 '21

I agree with most of this but I’m not too bothered. People obviously like these and it provides information, even if it’s not as much as it could or it’s not in the best way. I don’t hate them that much.

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u/cjgager Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

data sensationalism - if there is such a thing. cause (supposedly) everyone has very limited focus/attention span (due to telly tubbies?/who knows) - so any information needs to be "stimulating" to keep the focus. (as compared to actually reading the data points)
but OP did a nice job anyway - they are just following a information trend is all - - - tho, don't like the word "capacity" in there - cause every country has a "capacity" to utilize wind power - maybe output would be better?

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u/kkjdroid Oct 03 '21

And don't forget the US' number flipping back and forth because they couldn't be bothered to debounce.

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u/Bayesian11 Oct 03 '21

Most similar competitions eventually become the competition between China and US.

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u/ThemCanada-gooses Oct 03 '21

Two of the wealthiest nations on the planet? Kind of makes sense it would be that way. Like imagine if the US took the 2 trillion from the wars in the Middle East and applied it to healthcare and environment. The US would be a bastion of what a country can do.

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u/_teslaTrooper Oct 03 '21

Mostly just the largest developed countries. Per capita germany is doing better. The EU 27 would probably fall between the two (450M pop to US 330M and china 1.4B)

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u/SilchasRuin Oct 03 '21

China is definitely not developed. They rural areas are still very poor. The major coastal cities are way ahead in development.

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u/hamza__11 Oct 03 '21

It's not exactly wealth based to be fair. It is population based. Germany produces half the amount of wind energy as the USA does but it has 1/4 of the population of USA and a 10th of China.

If Germany had to produce as much wind power as China it would be too much. Energy per capita is a way more useful metric. The same goes for many of the smaller states on that list.

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u/Fools__Money Oct 03 '21

Also total land mass is a big factor, and population distribution.

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u/mazerlazor Oct 03 '21

How do you make charts that move like this?

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u/Free_Rick Oct 04 '21

The real metric is the amount of Windpower against the total quantity of energy required. Because Germany with a lot less of population has a better performance than China or the US when you account for its size.

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u/Cheshire_Khajiit Oct 03 '21

Would be nice to see the fraction of each country’s total energy consumption produced via wind.

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u/Jakob21 Oct 03 '21

The fact that Germany has such a high placement with respect to its landmass is a testament to how amazing it really is as a nation. The fact that russia isn't even shown, despite making up almost 11% of all land on the planet, is a testament to how shit russia is comparatively.

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u/xxMeiaxx Oct 04 '21

China just speedrunning through everything

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u/iojoh Oct 03 '21

Thanks for the chart!

It would be interesting to see what all renewable energy sources looks like.

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u/gelinrefira Oct 03 '21

I can save you the trouble. China leads in nearly every category.

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u/zebirke Oct 03 '21

A lot of people mention per capita as a variable. I think land mass is just as important. I mean China has about 4.5 times as much windenergy as Germany, but is about 30 times bigger. There just isn't that much space in Germany to put up that many turbines, the landscape is already really packed.

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u/MacDaddyW Oct 03 '21

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Germany is close to the same production as the US, but it is a fraction of the size. They must really cram those turbines in where ever they can.

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u/Direct_Sand Oct 03 '21

For the same reason we don't put millions of solar panels in the Sahara and transport that power back to, for example, Europe, it is not completely fair to only count land mass. Russia would always look to be terrible even though it makes no sense to drop wind turbines everywhere. The power needs to be generated at least somewhat locally and geography also plays a role. It does not make sense to build a ton of turbines in a mountainous area where hardly anyone lives.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '21

If we take into account land mass, we should also consider wind capacity. Some countries cannot produce wind energy at sustainable levels even if they wanted, due to their geographical location being in a valley or surrounded by higher elevation terrain.

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u/no-vaseline Oct 03 '21

The energy production ( general or renewables) should be measured per capita...

Germany is doing almost 17x per capita of china...

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u/maurits_weiqi Oct 03 '21

Funnily enough when it comes to carbon emissions, it's never per capita. Because then China isn't the big bad anymore.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '21

The typical industrialized country discourse: we have to count our goodies per capta, and our baddies per country. Europe, shifting the blame for social environmental problems since… 1500s?

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u/qahvua Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21

and how much total energy is germany using per capita, compared to china?

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u/no-vaseline Oct 03 '21

Portugal is doing almost 2x more...

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u/wkkkky Oct 03 '21

Funny you mention this. Why no one mention per capita numbers when it comes to energy consumption and pollution?

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u/Heisenburp8892 Oct 03 '21

Would like to see this as % of countries generated electricity but that would be depressing

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u/rollsyrollsy Oct 03 '21

Australia: “we generate our wind power by burning massive chunks of coal”

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u/ChairmanNoodle Oct 03 '21

Countries a fraction the size of Australia on here just blowing us out, we don't make the chart at any time. Sure we did ok with solar for a while but we also passed up the opportunity to manufacture that here (we actually had a very strong academic base for developing the tech in the 80s - they basically all moved to China where building it after working out how was actually happening)

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u/CanadianAdmiral910 Oct 03 '21

Not even 1.21 gigawatts. Shameful

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u/ostetoast Oct 03 '21

Would love to see a comparison with how much per citizen

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u/Bmandk Oct 03 '21

I wonder how the chart looks per capita also. As a Dane, people always say that Denmark is a leading wind energy producer, but this chart just showed that it may be an outdated notion?

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u/Kinseloku Oct 03 '21

R.I.P for the Netherlands, the land full of windmills.

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u/Odys Oct 03 '21

The windmills the Netherlands are known for are the old fashioned ones to grind grain into flower and are mostly historical sites. There are more and more modern ones though, but I do feel Germany is ahead.

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u/rubatubtubby Oct 03 '21

Australia, you are a coal burning embarrassment to the world. Hang your head in shame.

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u/sandiego256 Oct 03 '21

I love watching this chart. The world is the real winner.

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u/Cr3zyTom Oct 03 '21

Would be interesting to see this per Capita

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u/doofdoof1 Oct 03 '21

Or percentage of total energy consumed/produced

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u/Flaky_Investigator55 Oct 03 '21

Let me see how many people yell: I don’t believe it! ! !

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u/Rigrama Oct 03 '21

Kinda proud to see Portugal there in the beginning, worth mentioning that Portugal went 107 hours only on renewable energy in 2016!

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u/derpblerporino Oct 03 '21

But windmills cause cancer, maaaaaan

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u/CirnoIzumi Oct 03 '21

they deplete the worlds wind supply duuuudeee

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u/PeekabooSteam Oct 03 '21

UK doing well for a small island.

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u/Swarfega Oct 03 '21

All European countries tbh. We don't have the land that many other countries have.

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u/Jebusfreek666 Oct 03 '21

Damn. Did not realize how much China is killing it in wind power.

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u/Potential_Anxiety_76 Oct 03 '21

I am furious Australia isn’t even on the graph. More empty (and ‘useless’) land than not. Entirely surrounded by water. Fricken tiny ass Italy got more wind power than we do.

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u/gibson_se Oct 03 '21

They also have three times the population.

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u/ToledoVader Oct 03 '21

Well, that settles it. Wind energy is commie socialist bullshit. </s>

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u/LouieDidNothingWrong Oct 03 '21

Wait, America good and China good? Is this reddit?

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u/PieChartPirate OC: 62 Oct 03 '21

Over the last couple of years, the amount of energy that we produce from wind has exponentially increased. This video shows which countries produce the most energy in MW from wind. Enjoy!

Tools: python, pandas, tkinter

Data source: Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind\_power\_by\_country)

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u/TopDownRiskBased Oct 03 '21

Is this capacity or energy? Chat is labeled MW, suggesting capacity. So this wouldn't show counties using or consuming the most wind power as that would be measured in MWh.

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u/RepliesWithAnimeGIF Oct 03 '21

The title also says capacity. This could just be constructed windmills, regardless of actual efficacy.

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u/R-M-Pitt Oct 03 '21

It is. This data is not beautiful, but misleading.

Not only may windfarms suffer lack of wind, some windfarms can never produce at full nameplate capacity due to a lack of transmission capacity.

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u/caslad66 Oct 03 '21

The Wikipedia link shows the installed capacity that matches the numbers in the figures. I agree production would be nice to see as well

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u/ShootTheChicken Oct 03 '21

This video shows which countries produce the most energy in MW from wind.

Based on this title this actually shows installed capacity, not production. Two very very different things, given that the average capacity factor for turbines in, e.g., Germany is only ~0.2.

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