r/TrueOffMyChest 4d ago

As a Latina from Chile, ''Lati*nx'' makes me really uncomfortable

It's unpronounceable in Spanish, so it's not actually inclusive at all. Also, it's almost always white Americans who keep trying to make this word a thing, ie 'Latinx Heritage Month', which kinda makes me uncomfortable because it has hints of neo-colonialism.. 'Latinx Heritage Month' isn't being inclusive to actual Latino people because we can't pronounce the first word in that sentence in our native language!!! Most words in Spanish are gendered, get over it, there's nothing wrong with that and implying that our language is bad and we need to change it is racist. When you use ''Latinx'' rather than ''Latino'' I get the feeling you care more about virtue signalling points from fringe groups and you don't actually care for 680 million L*atino people at all. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

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u/HumaDracobane 4d ago

Months ago a girl came to r/asksspain what were our thoughs about changing our language and adopt the "x" sufix. You can guess how good that went.

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u/milkrate 4d ago

I've only really heard of "Latinx" but what about all the other European languages that are gendered? It makes no sense to me to single out Spanish. I'm learning German and there are three genders. Must be that this was started by Americans and Spanish is the closest foreign language to the USA

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u/wiener-fu 4d ago

Finland watching the whole debate like "what's a gender?"

In Finnish, there are no gendered words, even he/she is just a gender neutral "hän".

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u/milkrate 3d ago

Interesting, I didn't know that. I do know that Finnish is not a Indo-European language and therefore not closely related to most other European languages, so maybe that has something to do with it.

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u/seahawkguy 4d ago

I’m Chinese and I’m trying to make Chinx a thing but not many people seem to like it.

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u/ValhallaGo 4d ago

I think it’s because when you talk about German people in English, you call them “Germans”. It’s not gendered. But the only words we have for people of Latin America descent is “Latino” since it’s a word that English absorbed from Spanish.

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u/Lightbrand 4d ago

I'm shocked Gerperson isn't being used. How is Germxn getting away with this.

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u/Stinklepinger 4d ago

Germ-x was taken

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u/Antisymmetriser 4d ago

I vote for Gerx to be the new word

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u/Comment63 4d ago

I like Gerx and Latinx, but ONLY if we write it like gerks and latinks.

Because it's funny.

Also adopt the gringo term for northern european people, but as grinks.

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u/__WHAM__ 3d ago

My Chinese friend said it’s offensive to say Chinx. He’s not very progressive!!

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u/shushslushie 4d ago

Very appropriate in terms of say the Gerx involved with the Kentler experiment. That really works.

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u/Lalli-Oni 3d ago

Mensch is gender neutral. Its english that made it masculine with christianization. The same is happening in other languages which is confusing AF.

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u/Synensys 3d ago

If only there were an existing phrase like I sont know, Latin American that would work.

My understanding if that Latinx came out of the nonbinary world. I.e. its something more like the little used English language pronoun xie (which has been overtaken by just using they) and wasn't really intended to be a gender neutral term for all Latin American people.

And then white liberals got a hold of it and continue to use it to alienate Spanish speakers to this day.

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u/toanyonebutyou 4d ago

Couldn't you just say Latin? Isn't that equal to "German"?

This is ted, he is latin

I saw a Latin woman yesterday

Don't look at my search history unless you wanna see some weird Latin porn

You know, the usual stuff?

Maybe I'm not languaging right

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u/TheManFromFarAway 4d ago

Right? "We have no phrase to describe Latin American people." Oh, you mean like the phrase, "Latin American?"

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u/ClaudeJRdL 3d ago

Yeah but if you don't have an "x" it doesn't look as trendy.

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u/R1card0-Z 3d ago

Transforms into a Roman citizen /s

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u/dMCH1xrADPorzhGA7MH1 3d ago

We could just say Latino since everybody knows what that means.

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u/ApatheticAbsurdist 3d ago edited 3d ago

In America we had "Latin American" but that was too long. Some people shortened it to Latin but that didn't go over well. But they did pick up Latino which came from hispanic people themselves and worked well. But it's gendered and the US is having a bit of a culture war in terms of a lot of people not being very gender sensitive to women, trans, asexual, non-binary, etc and a bit of an understandable reaction to it that occasionally leads to over correction.

Latin American works, but it's too long and too sterilized to ever really catch on. Latino is going to likely trigger people who are already feeling they need to be on war footing regarding gender, even saying "Latinos and Latinas" (which again gets too long to catch on) might anger some who see it as attacking non-binary.

The problem with inclusion it almost always leads to explicitly excluding someone. People are tribal by nature and if you try to list everyone and don't list some small group I'm in, on some subconscious level I'm going to feel attacked... and I say this as a white, straight, able-bodied, cis-gendered, male in the USA and if someone with that level of privilege is not immune from feeling attacked, there is little hope for someone who truly is marginalized.

I fully understand why hispanic speakers with family roots in Latin America will likely take offense to Latin-X, and why trans women might take offense to latino while people using either terms are trying to be sensitive and inclusive. Meanwhile there are people in the US using a lot nastier terms backed by actual hatred, and there are a lot of Latinos who have some hatred in their voice when they talk about maricóns but they've surrounded themselves by like minded people who are cool with that kind of language.

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u/emasculatedeception 4d ago

French Canadians are closer. It is also gendered. This whole movement targets South American countries. And as the person below says it there’s no way to ungender “Latino”. We can also not group a whole continent of different nations. There’s Salvadorian, Guatemalans, Mexicans, Peruvians, Brazilian, etc. As everyone says, this is just virtue signaling.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

It makes no sense to me to single out Spanish.

It makes sense to them because many Americans don’t leave America ever. They live in an extraordinarily closed world, and the only language they encounter besides English is Spanish.

Just to show how USA-centric they are, I read a study last week by an American academic who analysed a number of textbooks for the presence of different ethnic groups: one of them was Spanish.

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u/SnooMemesjellies9203 3d ago

As a German myself: there are different proposed solutions, for example for Spieler/Spielerin (player)

"Spieler und Spielerinnen" - most natural in the language

"Spieler/innen" - already a new construction but easily readable

"Spieler*innen" - new construction and the big discussion topic in Germany, it kinda makes you stumble when you read. It's called "Gendersternchen"

As you see, I don't like the * solution and prefer the second one :D but let's see where it goes.

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u/CornchipUniverse 4d ago

Do you think you could find the post? I'm curious

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u/Jose_Canseco_Jr 4d ago

It's come up a few times at r/latinopeopletwitter, here's an example:

/r/LatinoPeopleTwitter/comments/gdozv2/stop_with_that_latinx_bullshit

TL;DR: Una de las pocas cosas en que la mayoría de hispanoamericanos que residen fuera de la angloesfera están de acuerdo es en que estos términos son, casi siempre, disingenuous virtue signalling BS

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u/captain_borgue 4d ago

TL;DR: Una de las pocas cosas en que la mayoría de hispanoamericanos que residen fuera de la angloesfera están de acuerdo es en que estos términos son, casi siempre, disingenuous virtue signalling BS

I hardly ever see people hablando Español y English también, cambiando los dos at random intervals.

Now just needs the occasional shouting and signs of the cross, and it would be just like my house growing up. :P

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u/MadKingSuibhne77 3d ago

I'm also guilty of Spanglish

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u/AbellanaAmoris 4d ago

pienso que la mayoría de todos (no solo hispanoamericanos) que sepan algo (is that a correct phrsse?) de español están de acuerdo

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u/theycallmeponcho 4d ago

Y los pocos latinos que usan esa terminología son usualmente gente que aprendió el español como segunda lengua.

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u/ReachTheSky 4d ago edited 4d ago

Changing... the... language

Holy shit... so she wanted to actually change a language spoken by almost a BILLION people worldwide for no reason other than virtue signaling. How are these people so unaware of how stupid they sound?

EDIT: Lots of people replying about how language always changes. Yes, it changes naturally over time, not because a group of bored idiots on Twitter demand that it needs to.

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u/Hanoiroxx 4d ago

I dont think they do. I remember watching a video were a girl went on a full rampage about how racist the Spanish language is all because of their word for the colour 'black'

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u/MidnightRequim 4d ago

Meanwhile it’s a literal color in Spanish, while English speakers took the word and decided to use it as a slur.

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u/RightBehindY-o-u 3d ago

At least where I'm from it's used strictly as the color of an object. We use the words "moreno/morena" and "trigueño/trigueña" when we talk about people

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u/LoostCloost 4d ago

Yeah in my country it's used to refer to black people but it's never used in a derogatory term. There just isn't a word in our language to describe them. I have a feeling the word came into usage after the colonization but our society never really went past that point because frankly, dark-skinned people are rarer than rare even in the foreigner population.

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u/lunarrust 3d ago

If anyone needs a change, it's the American English language.

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u/TheNewGuy13 4d ago edited 3d ago

Edinson Cavani got suspended and fined almost £100k because he called a friend Negrito hahaha its so crazy

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u/Busquessi 3d ago

I came here to make this comment

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u/68w92 4d ago

Wait until they hear about Montenegro

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u/sorenant 4d ago

You mean Monteafrican-American? /s

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u/guccilatar 4d ago

I’m Filipino, and I feel your pain. Filipino Americans who have never lived in the Philippines like to use the term “Filipinx” instead of “Filipino” to be gEnDeR neUTrAL. What they don’t understand is our language is already gender-neutral. The word Filipino includes all genders. And we literally don’t have gendered pronouns; we only use they/them in our language. And we also don’t have the letter X.

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u/RaddestCat 4d ago

Shit at that point just make it Filipin🌈

Pronounce that shit Mark.

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u/sageco 4d ago

Filipinx = tell me you speak no Tagalog without telling me you speak no Tagalog.

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u/KScab_WeWantRenji 3d ago edited 3d ago

Great point guccilatar. Seem like it’s a trend to me as well all these new labels.

My mother can never get it right about the pronoun of “she” and “he”. Always have to correct as I sometimes forget we don’t use those. Been calling our dog “she” he’s a boy.

About the usage of “Filipino”. You know I had to “school” someone under “shittyfoodporn” ( I know of all places) about the usage of “Filipino”,’ Because of this person’s condescending comment when the OP described his wife as “Filipino” instead of “Filipina”. He flipped out on OP about it. But he”s clearly just a non Filipino trying to show off in his stupid way. Not realizing we use “Filipino” regardless of gender. Most likely some old white dude. It’s clear if you insists only correct way is “Filipina” it’s crystal you’re NOT a Filipino. Nobody really refers themselves as “Filipina” if they are female.

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u/joshually 4d ago

But why do I hear women being referred to as "Filipinas" or "pinay" vs just all o's?

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u/CobaltBlueMouse 3d ago

IIRC, it's not a formal requirement to refer to a female as Filipina. It's just there for 'convenience'. We don't really say, 'ako ay Pilipina' in a formal setting. We say, 'ako ay Pilipino'.

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u/ClaudeJRdL 3d ago

the term “Filipinx”

Holy shit that's basically satire levels of cringe.

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u/sleepydorian 4d ago

I did not know that but now I'm realizing that I had assumed it was gendered based on my knowledge of Spanish, which is silly.

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u/chessset5 3d ago

I have lived in the Philippines for 3 years and have been in well over 50 Filipino clubs up and down California and Kansas. WHO THE FUCK IS SAYING FILIPINX?

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u/refused26 3d ago

There is no he/she, only siya! Love the gender-neutrality of the language, and there's actually 4 official "genders": male, female, unknown (di-tiyak), non-binary/non-gendered (walang kasari-an). It's the original LGBTQ+

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u/iloveindomienoodle 3d ago

That's one of the quirks of Austronesian languages. There's hardly any language genders except for nouns (well this is the case for Malay/Indonesian but idk much about the language up there on the Philippines.)

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u/captain_borgue 4d ago edited 3d ago

I got into an argument with a coworker once because I referred to myself as Hispanic.

"It's derogatory!"

"But... I'm not Latino. I'm literally Hispanic."

"No, you are Latinx!"

No, I'm not. I'm Hispanic. Like, From Spain. I speak Spanish. I'm not Latino, because I'm not from Latin America. Like how Brazilians are Latino but not Hispanic, because they don't speak Spanish."

Same woman was stunned that Afro-Latinos/as exist at all. Like, having to explain that a person can be Hispanic, Latino/a, both, or neither- and also have a skin color- was just... not a fun conversation.

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There's some good discussion in the replies, that made me realize I didn't really explain this very well.

So here we go!

Hispanic and Latino/a are not racial identifiers- though Latino/a has kind of absorbed the racial connotation for indigenous people in Latin America (even though there are other terms for that).

Hispanic and Latino/a are geographical identifiers... and they can overlap. Hispanic and Latino/a are not mutually exclusive. It's not one-or-the-other. It's more like Blood Type, where you can have one type, the other type, neither, or even both.

Neither term really takes into account things like migration or naturalization, and like with anything that involves people, there's really no way to precisely categorize things. But for the most part:

Hispanic means from Spain, or former colonies of Spain, excluding Florida. So this includes Mexico, the Philippines, the Dominican Republic, and most of Central and South America. Conceptually, the term came from the idea of "having Spanish blood". Which is... not a great interpretation.

Latino and Latina means a person from Latin America, which is a region that encompasses North and South America but excludes the United States, Canada, and the Anglophone Caribbean (islands colonized by Britain, such as Jamaica and Bermuda). This includes Brazil, Suriname, Guyana, French Guiana, Haiti, Belize, and a few others. While it carries connotations of having brown skin, that's not really accurate, given the racial diversity in Latin America.

Chicano and Chicana refers to people from Latin America with indigenous ancestry. EDIT EDIT: not all people from Latin America with Indigenous ancestry, specifically those from Mexico, as "Chicano" is derived from the Nahuatl language. Whoops! Thanks for the correction!

Afro-Latino/a refers to people from Latin America with African ancestry.

Asian-Latino/a refers to people from Latin America with east Asian ancestry.

Indo-Latino/a refers to people from Latin America with subcontinental Indian ancestry.

Most countries in Latin America are former Spanish colonies, and thus could be both Hispanic and Latino/a.

Not all countries in Latin America are former Spanish colonies, so those countries are Latino/a but not Hispanic.

Not all former Spanish colonies are in Latin America, so for those countries, they would be Hispanic but not Latino/a.

French Guiana is an odd duck because it is part of France, but the rest of France isn't in Latin America- so a French citizen could be Latino/a, but may not be, depending on which part of France they are from.

Therefore, depending on which country you are from, you could conceivably be Hispanic and Latino/a, just Hispanic, just Latino/a, Latino/a and French or British or Dutch, or none of the above... and that's just the regional identifiers.

From there, add in the different racial/ethnic identifiers, and you get a wide variety of descriptors that can apply.

So I'm'a go ahead and turn off notifications now, but I hope this super-in-a-nutshell explanation helps. There's a lot of historical context and socioeconomic context and stuff too, but y'all will have to explore that on your own. :-)

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u/ChubbyTrain 4d ago

Hi, clueless Malaysian here. So, what I'm understanding from your comment is that

Hispanic = from Spain, speak Spanish.

Latino = from Latin America, which to my understanding is everything from the America continent except USA and Canada. They might speak Spanish because they have been colonized by Spain at some point. But they might have been colonized by other countries so they might speak Portuguese or French.

Afro Latino = people whose African ancestors had been brought to Latin America at some point.

My guess is that a Mexican-American would usually be considered Latino? (unless they also have Spanish ancestry, which would make them both Latino and Hispanic)

Your coworker sounds exhausting, btw.

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u/captain_borgue 4d ago edited 4d ago

Hi, clueless Malaysian here. So, what I'm understanding from your comment is that

Hispanic = from Spain, speak Spanish.

Close! "Hispanic" refers to people from Spain and ex-colonies of Spain. Excluding Florida, because nobody wants Florida, lol!

Latino = from Latin America, which to my understanding is everything from the America continent except USA and Canada.

Correct!

They might speak Spanish because they have been colonized by Spain at some point. But they might have been colonized by other countries so they might speak Portuguese or French.

Correct! There's also some Caribbean islands that count, too. Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic (but not Haiti), and a couple others.

Afro Latino = people whose African ancestors had been brought to Latin America at some point.

Correct again!

My guess is that a Mexican-American would usually be considered Latino? (unless they also have Spanish ancestry, which would make them both Latino and Hispanic)

Correct!

Your coworker sounds exhausting, btw.

Thankfully this was years ago, and I am no longer at that job or have anything to do with that coworker. But you are once again correct!

You called yourself clueless, but you nailed it. :D

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u/icedragon_boats 4d ago

Latino = from Latin America, which to my understanding is everything from the America continent except USA and Canada.

Correct!

how about France, Belize, Guyana and Suriname?

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u/BrunesOvrBrauns 4d ago

Ok imma fuck you up with this one: born in Mexico from White American parents. None, right? Just a Mexican?

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u/captain_borgue 4d ago

Lol, I personally would say that "counts" as both Latino/a (you were born in Latin America), and Hispanic (former Spanish colony).

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u/Kermits_tadpole 4d ago

Idk wtf I am, I’ve always said I’m white and that I’m Latina. My mom is a minority with Mexican decent and my dad is white af. Our family immigrated from Oaxaca and one other place from Mexico around 2 or 3 generations ago. I have grown up in a Mexican American household and currently we are setting up our ofrenda for dia de los muertos which we celebrate every year. I was wondering if calling myself Latina while being white is okay or if I should use a different term :) sorry to bother you

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u/bumper212121 4d ago

Wait...she tried to tell you that the way you referred to YOURSELF was derogatory? And then tried to explain it to you?

Who the hell are these people?

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u/Maximus1333 4d ago

Question, are folks from Portugal considered Hispanic? Google is all over the place on this one.

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u/Substantial-Past2308 4d ago

No, because they don't speak Spanish. They're, however, Iberian.

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u/JiujitsuChungus 4d ago

No. The term Hispanic is given to countries that were either colonized by Spain or have Spanish as its national language.

Portugal is neither of those.

Same as Brazil, it's not wrong to call Brazilians Latinos, but don't call them Hispanic, we don't speak Spanish nor have we been colonized by Spain.

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u/Yadona 4d ago

So by your statement Philippinos are Hispanic?

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u/JiujitsuChungus 4d ago

In a sense, yes, though this is very open to discussion. They do have Hispanic Identity and historical ties. It's very subjective, really.

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u/carrera-sama 4d ago

The correct term in that case is Lusitanic

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u/Wulfkine 4d ago edited 3d ago

You got the definition of Chicano/Chicana wrong. That means someone with Mexican ancestry but raised in the United States. Idk where you got the def you provided but it’s not correct.

Edit: I’m sure the definition is fluid but one generation apart is sufficient in my experience, I’m 1st gen Chicano from LA. It’s a matter of being immersed in both Mexican and American culture/communities during your up bringing.

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u/missvandy 3d ago

My family is white hispanic from Argentina. I find reconciling different concepts of race and ethnicity really challenging. Even though I’m literally Hispanic, I often decline to check that box on forms, because it seems like in the U.S. we’ve flattened all of Latin America into one racial identity that is both Spanish speaking and indigenous. It feels dishonest somehow to claim my ethnic identity. Once again, concepts of race in the u.s. lack the nuance that you see in other parts of the world.

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u/ThumpyDumpkins 4d ago

I once had a black friend get mad when someone called him "African-American".

Him: "Bitch I ain't African; my mom is off-the-boat from Jamaica!!!!"

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u/Destiny_player6 4d ago

aye, it fucking boggles the mind of a lot of people that me and my cousins are all latinos and hispanics and we all have different skin color. My cousins, from their mothers side who is cuban, have lighter whiter skin. My other cousin, is black because his mother is black. I have lighter brown skin because of my honduran/spanish blood from both my mother and father.

Some people just don't realise how diverse latinos are. My friend, pure Puerto Rican, looks like he comes out of some German Aryan Propaganda film. Growing up they called him whitey or ghost.

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u/IReplyWithLebowski 4d ago

Americans like racial classifications. “Latino/x” means “brown” to them.

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u/Cuntwaffe3 4d ago

As a fellow Latina(Mexican), I agree. Latinx is fucking stupid.

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u/Rowanieesteph 4d ago

Yes! Seeing it used so much in social media during latino heritage month makes me seethe

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u/Wallstreetk3nny 4d ago edited 4d ago

Several people who are native Spanish speakers here in the U.S. pronounce it lah-teenks and when I hear that sound it makes me blood red mad.

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u/SnatchAddict 4d ago

Imagine abuelx saying oh my little mijx instead of mija.

I'm sorry you have to read this.

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u/yoshinosumoto 4d ago

Wait till you hear about “womxn”.

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u/thesaent 4d ago

Wait till you hear about NXIVM

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u/Upbeat_Flan_3446 4d ago

I've seen people use folx because apparently folks isn't gender neutral enough as is...

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u/reincarN8ed 4d ago

Are you folking serious?

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u/NotKaren24 4d ago

wait till you hear about 'germxn'

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u/TheOverman123 4d ago

Wait till you hear about mxn

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u/NotKaren24 4d ago

wait till you hear about 'xxx'

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u/Snnide_Remark 4d ago

Trust me, I’ve heard of it.

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u/Kevin_LeStrange 4d ago

Me too. A true tour de force for Vin Diesel, and a rockin' soundtrack.

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u/AndHereWeAre_ 4d ago

Also Ice Cube in part 2 I believe

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u/worksheetpaper 4d ago

Also the 3rd one isn't a masterpiece but its still enjoyable.

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u/SkinnyWhiteGirl19 4d ago

That whole Rammstein scene.. magnificent

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u/TheTrooperBabe 4d ago

What's worse is that some latino based social media groups like "We are Mitu" use this term and its cringe worthy. As a Queer Latina I hate the term with a passion.

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u/TheNoxx 4d ago edited 4d ago

It's an extremely small percentage of latinos that happens to be much more vocal and visible online.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/

97% of latinos, according to Pew Research, say they do not use the term.

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u/RIFofBDL 4d ago

Everyone knows it is pretty much exclusively white liberals who use it

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u/BrownBear_96 4d ago

Oh I see it all the time in the academic setting and it gets me HEATED. Don't go telling all whole people group how to refer to themselves.

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u/LockeClone 4d ago

Kinda like how I've never met a black person who wanted to be called African American instead of black...

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u/rbatra91 4d ago

It's cringe a.f. you literally have no idea where the person is from. You could be calling a jamaican person african american and it's just stupid. It's MORE ignorant to call someone african american.

Guy comes over from Russia in 2020 -> American

Guy has family in America since 1800 and as american as it comes -> African American.

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u/Thrall_So_Hard 4d ago

What do they call black people outside of the US? Also plenty of black people from non-African countries but yet would still get lumped in with that term by white people. Just reminds me of that episode of the office where Michael thinks calling people “Mexican” is racist.

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u/AdmiralPoopbutt 4d ago

I'm in the US but I spent a couple months working in Colombia last year. One of my coworkers pointed out a black woman to me as "the lady with the curly hair". It really stuck with me.

Colombia is a country with a large variety of skin tones which may be difficult to distinguish between, so they may be identifying people based on other physical attributes. Or possibly my single anecdote isn't representative of how things actually work there.

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u/FunInStalingrad 4d ago

Like Haile Selassie put it, it should be of no more significance than the colour of your eyes. If it's distinctive enough of a descriptor, then use it.

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u/Kahnspiracy 4d ago

You can thank none other than Jesse Jackson for that. By the way it was not well received by most of the community but white newspaper editors went along with it anyway so the parallels to Lantinx are striking. (source: https://apnews.com/article/089fc3ab25b86e14deeefae3adb7a5ad)

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u/oneyedoge 4d ago

First time learning about this word. Can't say I'm surprised but I (Latino born in Costa Rica) agree 100%. Some dumb 💩.

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u/Saltonkil 4d ago edited 4d ago

Its all over xbox and disney+ too.

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u/SemIdeiaProNick 4d ago

That is really annoying. Sure, being inclusive is nice and all but is it hard to be inclusive in a way that doesnt force the english way of speaking into other languages that have nothing to do with it? The new Forza Horizon is an example of that, they have the neutral pronouns in english, and that is ok, but they also have the twitter created nouns for portuguese and spanish ( maybe even other languages as well but im not sure).

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u/Rowanieesteph 4d ago

I wish the influencers would listen to us and stop using Latinx, especially during our heritage month of all times

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u/rettribution 4d ago

I made a post about this months ago. Still pisses me off.

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u/oneyedoge 4d ago

That would be nice and helpful, but unfortunately I only see it being used more over time. Maybe I'm just a pessimist person though, ha.

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u/Gefiltefished 4d ago edited 3d ago

As a fellow Latino (Peruvian), Latinx gives me so much cringe that I turn into a fucking Smurf every time I hear it.

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u/Kodiak01 4d ago

More should speak up about their unhappiness being foisted labels upon them by the "woke" crowd that think they know better than anyone else.

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u/ChevroletSparkSS 4d ago

I've said this before, and I will say it until either the movement dies or I do, but those who consider themselves to be woke are the ones who really need to wake the fuck up.

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u/noslenramingo 4d ago

As a fellow Latino (from earth), I agree. Latinx is fucking stupid.

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u/DanielsWorlds 4d ago

Hispanic literally means someone from a country that speaks Spanish. Feel like we did a decent job with that one. But nope let's reinvent the wheel for people who are not actually offended by the term Latino

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u/Zhabba_Zheeba 4d ago

As a white dude, I think Latinx is some stupid bullshit made up by woke white people who want to feel offended by something that doesn't really offend the people that it's supposed to be offending.

Just tell me how you'd like me to identify you, and I'm happy to oblige. I agree with the poster and all of the rest of you.

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u/Pineapplecow_ 4d ago

This will probably get buried

But it is Very Stupid

a) The identity “latino/a/x” is purely a western/American thing. No one in Latin-America calls themselves “latino”. It’s by country - i.e. Argentine, Colombian, Uruguayan, etc.

b) Latinx as a term is also purely Western because you can’t pronounce “Latinx” in Spanish

c) I personally don’t care for it - but live and let live. If someone wants to call themselves “Latinx”, that’s cool

d) I’ve noticed it’s usually white people explaining why Minorities should get offended over a language system.

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u/phasers_to_stun 4d ago

There's a Peruvian guy at my office who intentionally pronounces it "la-tinks" and it's hilarious every damn time.

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u/sassy_cheddar 3d ago

When I first started encountering this word, it was only in print and that's how I read it in my head. Had to Google it to figure out what they were going for.

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u/Polenball 3d ago edited 3d ago

I literally have no clue how you'd say it otherwise, honestly. La-tee-inx? La-tin-ex?

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u/penatbater 4d ago

On a similar note, as a Filipino, Filipinx is also stupid.

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u/Rowanieesteph 4d ago

Filipinx sounds like a hairloss medication

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u/monikapearl 4d ago

omg I hadn’t heard of this one. If I ask my cousins in the Philippines if they’ve heard of it, I guarantee they will have no idea.

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u/JohnDorianSalinger 4d ago

That's because it's a largely Western/American concept. Our language is literally non-gendered. FilipinO is perceived as masculine to non-native speakers, but it is literally a gender-neutral word that encompasses all genders. We have one pronoun.

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u/wan2tri 4d ago

LOL yeah "siya" is the counterpart for both he and she. The pronoun's first syllable is also used when pertaining to proper nouns.

She is tall - Siya ay matangkad; Jenny is tall - Si Jenny ay matangkad.

He is tall - Siya ay matangkad; Paul is tall - Si Paul ay matangkad.

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u/DancingYoshi 4d ago

Is it pronounced fili-pinks? Fili-pin-x? Same question for latinx. I can’t not read it as “latinks”. Sounds like a Pokémon.

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u/rehabilitated2020 4d ago

Every time you use the word LatinX unironically a Cuban family is central Florida votes republican for the rest of their lives.

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u/randomaltname 4d ago

They've been doing that long before the term came around.

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u/mrsacapunta 4d ago

dude as one of those Cubans, my family's been voting Republicsn for way longer.

But still, Latinx needs to die off.

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u/Dank_Pym 4d ago

I believe the correct term is Republicxn

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u/icanttellalie 4d ago

As a Mexican American, no one in my family acknowledges Latinx as a thing

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u/frenchtoast_assassin 4d ago

Same. I'm Mexican and I fucking hate it. Most Mexicans I ask have never even heard of it, and are like "¿qué chingados es eso?"

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u/80sRiverBedScene 4d ago

Puras pinches mamadas

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u/Wetmelon 4d ago

Yep that's Mexican af lol

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u/Guardianwolfart 4d ago

Same I'm mexican and Blackfoot native no one I know uses but woke hipsters

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u/SpillTheTea21 4d ago

Only morons say “latinx”

Source: Latina from Argentina 🇦🇷🤚🏻😃 hi 😁

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u/RadiantQA 4d ago

Don't you mean Argentinx? /s

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u/LightningSpearwoman 4d ago

its argentinEs and argentinEs .

you cannot be letting everyone felt out!

pronounce a gendered word and you have to pronounce the counterpart RIGHT AFTER, or else you are offending everyone! that's a no no!

if you pronounce the neutral world argentinEs you need to say it again right after or else people felt left out!

therefore you must begin every conversation with 'queridEs amiguEs y amiguEs hoy nEs reunimEs aca por ....' and so! and BAM there you go, you learnt spanish for free now

/s

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u/fernandotakai 4d ago

3% of all american hispanics use latinx -- and i would say it's even lower outside the US.

fuck latinx, it's derogatory.

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u/padraig_garcia 4d ago

hispanics

hispanx

you're welcome /s

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u/idwthis 4d ago

That just sounds like a Spanx product aimed at men lol

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u/redgamut 4d ago

After 9 generations of advancing technology in cookware... Introducing: His Pan X.

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u/Competitive_Sky8182 4d ago

Is artificially complicated. If they feel so desperate for a neutral gendered term, maaaaaaaybe "latine" and RAE said is a poor choice since masculine is also neutral but at least it doesnt sound as a coughing fit.

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u/fernandotakai 4d ago

there's already a non-gendered term-- latin.

"the latin people" or "latin america". you don't need to introduce stuff that doesn't exist.

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u/MeatTornadoLove 4d ago

Doesn’t work in Spanish, Latinè is the term I believe

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u/Rare_Travel 4d ago

It's cultural imperialism and patronising on top of that, they think they know what's best for us "savages".

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u/human-potato_hybrid 4d ago

The ONLY people I know/knew that say it either do not speak Spanish or speak gringo level 1000 vocabulary-of-a-4-year-old-kid Spanish.

That says something haha 🤔🤔

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u/the_turt 4d ago

As a fellow Latino (Paraguay) if someone calls me latnix I will be surprised because no one knows that Paraguay exists

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u/Bagzy 4d ago

I know Paraguay exists because we has to beat Uruguay to qualify for the football world cup when I was a kid and I got the two mixed up a lot.

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u/Pandamentals 4d ago

Bolivian here, I know the pain

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u/HarpoonShootingAxo 4d ago

I've litterally never heard a latino person say they're ok with that word. I don't know why people use it

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u/SpiffySpacemanSpiff 4d ago

Twitter is a stupid, but very persuasive to the media, “place.”

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u/xniks101x 4d ago

“Twitter isn’t a real place” —Dave Chappelle

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u/Teknicsrx7 4d ago

Don’t worry we can’t pronounce Latinx in English either

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u/wyvern_rider 4d ago

I thought it was Lah-tinks but then I heard someone say Latin-ecks on the TV.

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u/RobinTheCreator_ 4d ago

I've been pronouncing it like that, and I dont give a fuck if it's wrong, because it's not a real word.

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u/m0rbidowl 4d ago

Latinks?

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u/re_vivir 4d ago

Who dafaq came up with LatinX? Had to be a troll xD

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u/VAGIMALILTEACUP 4d ago

Who dafaq came up with LatinX? Had to be a troll xD

I believe it was a Puerto Rican psychologist writing about non binary genders

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u/iacs12 4d ago

"I use the term Latinx" = "I'm a white girl who wants to feel like i'm helping while also implying that I'm still above you"

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u/ladder_filter 4d ago

That's exactly it

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u/Kitties4u 4d ago

who is telling you to use that? If they are not Latino/Hispanic, you have my permission(latino here) to tell them to fuck right off.

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u/TexMex333 4d ago

Another Latina here, I too despise this term.

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u/SolidNeighborhood469 4d ago edited 4d ago

Afro Latina here so I hope my opinion counts-I too find this utterly and painfully stupid. As you said we can’t even pronounce it & it just makes no sense. None of us are complaining soooo where did this term even come from?

Oh yea. Performative fake white American activists who just think of stuff they think offends us...but really doesn’t. Like the aunt jemima syrup. No one complained about that. Then all of a sudden the name was changed because it was “racially insensitive”. Who ever even said that.

Edit: just adding that my point is instead of doing bullshit things like changing the name of a syrup, these mainstream activists should be working on things that actually matter

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u/TGin-the-goldy 4d ago

In Australia they changed a cheese with a name that did sound offensive to Aboriginal people BUT: it was the founders name from 100+ years ago; and literally none of us gave a shit, but it made white people feel good. Like sure, attempt genocide on our people and that’s “all in the past” but we absolutely must change the cheese name

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u/unpopularopinionmale 4d ago

What’s the name of the cheese?

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u/ravencrowe 4d ago

Thank you, I thought removing aunt jemima was fucking dumb. Like good job folks, now there’s no non-white people on any of our food products, just white people like the Quaker Oats guy and the gerber baby

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u/collectornsfw 4d ago

Canadians also burned Tintin books because Natives were referred to as "red-skins".
Just the next page, Tintin finds oil and some tycoons come offering him millions for mining rights but he says it belongs to the natives, not to him, and all the men go away.
Next square has the US Army marching with fixed bayonets, driving the Natives off their own reservation to steal their oil.

Somehow Tintin using a slur that was normal back in the day outweighs portraying theft and injustice against a minority. We're so lucky to have these enlightened Talibans of our own to purify the West.

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u/ravencrowe 4d ago

Did they literally burn them? Cuz generally in my experience, people who burn books are not on the right side of history

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u/collectornsfw 4d ago

https://thecanadian.news/2021/09/09/5000-childrens-books-and-comics-of-asterix-or-tintin-burned-in-canada-for-offending-indigenous-people/
One would think Nazis and Talibans would have taught the world all it needed about burning books and destroying statues.

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u/SolidNeighborhood469 4d ago

I didn’t even notice that there’s no black people on food products really now. Aunt jemima and uncle bens rice were the only ones I knew of and now they’re gone. Ffs they could have changed the name without removing the faces. No one was offended or bothered by them

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u/YEETUSDELETUS6ix9ine 4d ago

I think you mean Afrx

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u/SolidNeighborhood469 4d ago

Take my upvote damnit😂

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u/MustardYoba 4d ago

I originally thought it was LatinX and that it was some new porn site.

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u/GreatThiefLupinIII 4d ago

If that were true wouldn't be LatinXXX?

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u/GiganticMuscleFreak 4d ago edited 4d ago

I can assure you it's only mostly white people on twitter with nothing better to do trying to enforce this term.

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u/Parading_Panda12 4d ago

No.. Disney+ too.

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u/GiganticMuscleFreak 4d ago

That's kind of what I mean. White twitter users have literally nothing else to do but browbeat anyone who doesn't conform. So Disney+ only does that to get free good guy points from them, and to also avoid their backlash.

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u/oddsonni 4d ago

The fact that Twitter trends influence so much nowadays is pathetic and depressing and terrifying.

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u/soothsayer3 4d ago

How did it get this way ?

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u/Beardgardens 4d ago edited 4d ago

The most hateful people with the loudest cries often get the most attention, Twitter amplifies them

Regular people don’t have the same gripe

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u/Unrealparagon 4d ago

Twitter and Facebook need to die honestly.

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u/MissionSecure1163 4d ago

I really don't understand it either. My girlfriend is Brazilian and she hates the term. Just wish it would die out everyone that I've known hate the word because it was a word the bored white Twitter people made up at an attempt to be more inclusive. Guess that's what happens when you just force a word on an entire mix of cultures and tell them to accept it. No. Fuck off

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u/AmazingQueue 4d ago

I’m not Latina, but even as an indigenous/white queer woman, I don’t get it either. I also have never understood how it’s even supposed to be pronounced in English. It makes no sense. Womxn is also a thing somehow and that confuses me too. None of the x shit makes any sense on why it’s there or how it’s supposed to be pronounced.

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u/30phil1 3d ago

I'm a genderfluid latino (Nicaraguan) and even I agree. I will say that there is a better argument for using the ending -e instead of -x since that's actually a thing in Spanish

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u/theObfuscator 3d ago

Does anyone know the origins of the term Latinx specifically? I’ve heard it used a few times now and was wondering who started pushing the concept.

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u/grif650 4d ago edited 4d ago

99% of Latinos that I ask feel the same. I'm all for inclusion but that's not how Spanish works.

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u/old_adage 4d ago

Agree 100%.

The worst part, is that the English word is gender-neutral - like all English words - why the heck they want to use the Spanish/Portuguese word and then twist their noses because the word is gendered? It's like "we're so open-minded we'll use YOUR word for Latin, but ewww you savages still use gendered words??"

Neo-colonialism is actually a good description.

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u/Reasonable_Music5127 4d ago

Actually the gendered nature of the word gains a new context in English, which has no grammatical gender. German, American, French, Indigenous, Cajun, etc. are all queer and gender-inclusive words. Why should Latino be different? After all, we could just say "Latin"...

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u/OldOrangeEyes 4d ago edited 3d ago

Dozens of comments up in here saying only white folks use this construction, and it's so jarring to Hispanics or native Spanish speakers.

But in fact I hear Woke celebrities of color use it all the time. The obvious example is AOC who's from a Puerto Rican family. She always spells it Latinx.

So what gives? There's some disconnect here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/repaoc/status/1438258825472086016

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u/niton 4d ago

The truth here is that there are some Latino folks out there who do use the term for whatever reason. No group is a monolith. It does seem to be quite unpopular in general within the group though.

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u/reddit809 4d ago

Es una gringada estúpida. Ningún latino criado en ub país latino usa esa mierda.

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u/NeonSignsRain 3d ago

Yeah the people promoting the word Latinx dgaf what you think.

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u/Ok-Guava4446 3d ago

hints of neo-colonialism..

Just colonialism, the Spanish wiped out 80% of the indigenous population within 150 years from the first conquistadors landed.

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u/Icy-Drawing3391 3d ago

Yeah I found it odd that we have Latinx but we dont have Filipinx or something.

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u/etaoin-shrdl-ugh 4d ago

Latinx drives me bonkers. I get the want for a gender neutral term but like y’all… latine is right there. It works with the spoke language and just generally makes more sense

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u/DarkRogus 4d ago

Welcome to the mindset of the American Progressives where it's important to keep one's culture even though no one from your native culture uses that term to describe themselves.

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u/vrrrggggl 4d ago

I always imagined it's supposed to be pronounced in a way that rhymes with Kleenex.

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u/MihalysRevenge 4d ago

Im Latino (Hispanic from New Mexico) Not a fan at all, it assumes the user is familiar with the English pronunciation of X

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