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Yeah, you're a fool! 👮Audit Freakout

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u/Beast_Mode Oct 13 '21 Starstruck

“Today’s education day and I’m the teacher” classic line

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u/Western_Cheesecake_7 Oct 13 '21

I watch his YouTube channel, in my opinion he's the best first amendment auditor out there. Him and his son cover each other recording each with a camera just in case something like this happens. He's been traveling the past two years with his son doing Audits. Never thought I'd see them on here.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21

I watch his YouTube channel, in my opinion he's the best first amendment auditor out there. Him and his son cover each other recording each with a camera just in case something like this happens. He's been traveling the past two years with his son doing Audits. Never thought I'd see them on here.

Same here! I'm a big fan. I've seen dozens of his audits.

What I like most about him is first off he doesn't antagonize people/cops. Some auditors, right out the gate, will be cussing people out, trying to get a reaction.

He just stands back and films. If someone makes contact with him, he'll have a friendly conversation with them. If someone starts talking shit...his New York wit comes out and he starts talking shit right back. Plus he really knows the law. He was a professional photographer before this (for the NYT I believe) so he knows the law about where he can film and where he can't.

I think what I respect most is that even after he gets in heated confrontations with people/cops, he'll still give them the opportunity to start over and have a civil conversation.

Edit: For those curious, Bay Area Transparency is also one of the best auditors out. Dude really knows his shit and goes out of his way to educate the cops and anyone else who bothers him for filming in public.

I honestly don't recommend many other auditors besides Bay Area and Amagansett because they are unnecessarily hostile and aggressive off the bat. I don't respect that. Everyone should be respectful to people who are being respectful to them. If you can't figure out how to do that (without giving up your rights) then you shouldn't be an auditor.

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u/B0Bi0iB0B Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21

I really enjoy Audit the Audit. Very neutral and balanced and cites everything he critiques. Of note, here's a good one on a Bay Area Transparency interaction.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

I really enjoy Audit the Audit. Very neutral and balanced and cites everything he critiques.

Absolutely. Audit the audit is great too. This is probably the best channel for people like myself who want detailed explanations of the laws, and if what people are saying (both the auditors and the cops) is actually correct, legally speaking. He gives credit to the cops when credit is due. He'll tell you exactly what they did right, and what they did wrong. He'll do the same for the auditor (or person being detained). The only reason I left him out is because he doesn't do actual audits. He gets sent videos and analyzes them.

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u/123throwafew Oct 14 '21

I absolutely love Audit the Audit. He gives such a detailed analysis that appears to be quite fair and objective. He even grades them so that we can recognize the mistakes and appreciate the things that were done right.

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u/Thengine Oct 14 '21

I don't like Audit the Audit. He gives passing grades and overlooks hostile police actions way too often for me.

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u/Pick_Up_Autist Oct 14 '21

Sounds like you've done a full audit of their work, do you have a channel called "audit audit the audit"?

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u/Thengine Oct 14 '21

Audit inception. No, I do not. Nor would it be worthwhile. Audit the audit regularly apologizes for cops actions. He also gives excuses as to why their actions could be legal. All the while ignoring that their actions are more often than not predicated on the 'attitude test' and how their victims failed that test.

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u/Pick_Up_Autist Oct 14 '21

Shame, I was looking forward to auditing your videos.

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u/Thengine Oct 14 '21

I would recommend going to lackluster's channel instead. He highlights some really good work instead of pretending to be fair like the boot licker audit the audit.

This video is of a god like troll

Really worth the watch for some laughs. Guy does get illegally arrested in the end.

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u/another_plebeian Oct 14 '21

You don't think an explanation as to why they might be in right is honest? There are a ton of vague or broad interpretations that, if left to a judge to decide, could likely lean one way or the other. Not everything is black and white.

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u/ideaterror Oct 14 '21

i like audit the audit the most, because they are usually on point and trying to be neutral as much as it gets. they also try to discuss positive police-citizen interactions and videos where police try to perform the service. so overall, I want to belive AtA is sensible and teach the common citizen how a proper police-citizen interaction should go.

i don't like Amagansett much. He is always testing the borders and looking for drama. he tries to talk a lot to get out of the situation. in some of the videos, he is very right and in other videos, he is a total jerk.

there is lackluster. that is more like an amalgamation of audit and police brutality videos.

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u/LochBessMonsta Oct 15 '21

I really dislike audit youtube channels. I'm all for keeping cops in check but every video I've seen is just people showing up somewhere suspiciously filming until they get noticed ( like they intended to do) and then are unnecessarily combative to get them to call the cops and then they proceed to act like children saying they were just looking around because it's public property. I just get a big cringey sensation watching it and I imagine them to all be real annoying people.

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u/skizzums0 Oct 14 '21

Love that show and I learn alot about my rights in certain situations. On the other end of the spectrum there's Scrodingers Cat which just shows auditors getting arrested, they're fun to watch too

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u/madalienmonk Oct 14 '21

Just started watching, ahh he said Pinole wrong!

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '21

Came here to say this.

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u/ashleyriddell61 Oct 14 '21

The only one worth watching.

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u/Thengine Oct 14 '21

I don't like Audit the Audit. He gives passing grades and overlooks hostile police actions way too often for me.

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u/whatwhatdb Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21

What I like most about him is first off he doesn't antagonize people/cops.

We dont have to get into a semantics argument about the definition of antagonize, but I think most would agree that sticking a camera in people's face randomly filming people who are just trying to get through the day is a fairly jerkish thing to do.

There are many perfectly valid reasons why someone wouldn't want their daily activity recorded and put online for 100k+ to analyze, and it's not because they are 'scared of a camera' (a generic line that the fanbase often uses when someone asks not to be filmed).

I agree with filming the police, and performing these quality control checks on them, but these guys are jerks for subjecting normal workers and customers to the same treatment.

Auditors are essentially doing the same thing as a child that holds their finger one inch from their siblings face, and repeats 'i'm not touching you, im not touching you!' over and over. Yeah there's a bigger principle behind their actions, but it generally gets lost due to their aggressive chip on the shoulder approach, especially when it's directed at non-LEO.

I've yet to hear a single auditor give what I would consider to be the best explanation to non-LEO (or even LEO) who are confused/upset about being filmed, which is: "this isn't about filming normal people doing normal stuff, it's to inform you that if it's 10pm in a parking lot and you see police officers abusing someone, you have the legal right to film them even if they tell you to stop, and you dont have to provide your ID if they ask". Instead of something similar to that, they usually just start shouting 'first amendment! protected activity! its my constitutional right! you work for me! etc.', which does nothing but make the interaction more hostile, and wastes a teaching moment.

That being said these videos can be very entertaining if the auditor is knowledgeable about the law, and can speak well under pressure. I agree that BAT does an excellent job, and his videos are about the best there are IMO. I just wish these guys would lighten up on non-LEO.

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u/HlCKELPICKLE Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21

Yeah they seem like patronizing "non confrontational" am I in your space bro, no becuase I'm not touching you asshats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqQacErWH60

Everyone in the video who are just normal overwork postal workers and citizen seem bothered by their presences which is done in a pretty grating way as to try to get a response it would seem.

I'm amazed how many people find this to be some great act.

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u/0degreesK Oct 14 '21

I just watched this and checked the comments to see what people said about the teller who said "I was having a nice day until you showed-up." You could tell the person just wanted to do her job and instead she's getting cameras shoved in her face and being put on the spot about not mentioning the survey.

The part that surprised me was that 99% of the comments regarding the seen reveled in her obvious discomfort.

And I didn't see the point he was making in that interaction.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

We dont have to get into a semantics argument about the definition of antagonize, but I think most would agree that sticking a camera in people's face who are just trying to get through the day is a fairly jerkish thing to do.

We also don't have to get into a semantics argument about the definition of "sticking a camera in people's face" but from the 2 channels I mentioned it seems to me like they always keep a very respectable distance. Its always the other person thats the aggressor and gets all up in their faces.

Pretty much the rest of your comment I agree with. Like I said in this comment there are definitely times when auditors go to places I don't like. Police in the field? Yes. Police departments? Yes. City hall? Yes. Post offices? Yes. Public health clinics? No. Libraries? Outside is OK, inside doesn't work for me. Welfare offices? No.

Lastly, yeah BAT is dope. He studied criminal justice. And I believe his son actually works in the public sector as a firefighter or some shit. He's quick to drop the exact law on a cop when they try to feed him some bullshit.

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u/whatwhatdb Oct 14 '21

We also don't have to get into a semantics argument about the definition of "sticking a camera in people's face" but from the 2 channels I mentioned it seems to me like they always keep a very respectable distance. Its always the other person thats the aggressor and gets all up in their faces.

"Up in their face" is just an expression. The point was that filming people without their consent is pretty much the definition of antagonize (incur the dislike/hostility, etc.).

In other words, I think most would agree that there are justifiable reasons for people to be upset about being filmed/published without consent, so while it's technically legal, the ethics of it are a bit questionable.

I agree with the rest of your sentiment, except I'm iffy on post offices. I would respect them a lot more if they would just blur everyone that isn't LEO. The point can be made just as well, without identifying the person.

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u/Nitelyte Oct 14 '21

People have to get over the fact they are being filmed in public. Once you just accept that people have that right, there is nothing to get worked up over. You do your thing and let other people do theirs.

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u/MildlyShadyPassenger Oct 14 '21

You understand that the absolute weakest possible defense of the morality of an action is "you can't legally stop me", right?

Just because someone has the legal right to stand on a public street corner preaching the evils of a mixed race society doesn't make that not a dick move, much less something admirable.

And that's the issue. There's plenty of ways to go about proving the point they claim they want to make without antagonizing people who have nothing to do with it.

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u/JohnnyUtah_QB1 Oct 14 '21

No one should care because no one should have an expectation of privacy in public. You get filmed constantly in public, there is footage of you at many businesses you’ve gone to, what is one more camera? Get over it.

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u/another_plebeian Oct 14 '21

There isn't someone following me around filming everything I do. I'd get pretty damned annoyed.

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u/MildlyShadyPassenger Oct 14 '21

You didn't address the point. At all.

Them having the legal right to follow me around with camera doesn't make them doing so not a dick move.

And when someone points out that this behavior is antagonistic and annoying, you are falling back on the weakest possible moral argument in its favor: "iT's nOt iLLeGaL!!!11!!"

Or, to switch to your standard, I have the legal right to call him a trolling douche and to call you a whiny edgelord.

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u/TifaYuhara Oct 14 '21

Issue is when the filmer gets way too close to them while filming.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

If you are being threatened then defend yourself. Those laws haven't changed.

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u/TifaYuhara Oct 14 '21

It's not really self defense when they are filming you though.

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u/fuck_off_ireland Oct 14 '21

filming people without their consent is pretty much the definition of antagonize (incur the dislike/hostility, etc.)

You are tripping dude. If someone is filming me in public, even if they were to walk up to me and film me directly, I would be like "Huh, that's weird. Better not talk to them or give them attention." Do I love it? Probably not. Do I really care? Also probably not. It's insane to say that filming someone in broad daylight in a very public place is "antagonizing" them.

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u/whatwhatdb Oct 14 '21

The definition of antagonizing is 'to make someone dislike you'.

Randomly filming people without their consent can make them dislike you.

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u/fuck_off_ireland Oct 14 '21

It's interesting that by that definition you're currently antagonizing me

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u/whatwhatdb Oct 14 '21

So you dislike me because I politely justified my statement, with a source.

"K."

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u/braised_diaper_shit Oct 14 '21

Sticking a camera in people's face? Like the cop that assaulted the dude and forced the camera to be in his face?

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u/whatwhatdb Oct 14 '21

That's just an expression. The point was that filming non-LEO without their consent could be considered antagonistic behavior.

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u/bmc2 Oct 14 '21

They're in public. You can film anyone in public with or without their consent.

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u/whatwhatdb Oct 14 '21

I never said otherwise.

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u/TifaYuhara Oct 14 '21

They aren't talking about this video they are talking about other videos where some people will be in the persons face while recording.

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u/0degreesK Oct 14 '21

I'd never heard of auditing until I saw this video. I found it fascinating and subscribed to the Amagansett and Bay Area Transparency channels.

The guy on Amagansett just comes of as a jerk. At times he gets to a point that I think he's trying to provoke a non-LEO person into assaulting him so he can cash-in on the situation.

The guy who does BAT at least seems to explain why he's doing it and while performing it doesn't get confrontational from the get go.

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u/megablast Oct 14 '21

but I think most would agree that sticking a camera in people's face who are just trying to get through the day is a fairly jerkish thing to do.

Sure, but standing back and filming is fine.

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u/antunes145 Oct 14 '21

They are No Hero’s. The sue the City and get paid out in the lawsuits by tax payer dollars. They do this all over the place. They don’t have jobs they are scam artists that take advantage of the ignorance of the police department. I’m sure If they stir up enough trouble the federal government can step in a pin them with something. That’s why they go from state to state. Why not just go from city to town in their own state. They are always on the move. Can’t say I don’t like cops being educated but I really don’t want to be paying for it.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

They are No Hero’s. The sue the City and get paid out in the lawsuits by tax payer dollars. They do this all over the place. They don’t have jobs they are scam artists that take advantage of the ignorance of the police department. I’m sure If they stir up enough trouble the federal government can step in a pin them with something. That’s why they go from state to state. Why not just go from city to town in their own state. They are always on the move. Can’t say I don’t like cops being educated but I really don’t want to be paying for it.

Do you have any proof of this? I'm not familiar with them getting any huge settlements all across the country, but I'm definitely open to learning.

But I would like to push back on a few things you just said. First, that they "take advantage of the ignorance of the police department." How many times have cops taken advantage of the ignorance of the public? How many times have cops gotten away with searching someones car because they lied to them? Or trespassed someone from public property, even though that person didn't commit a crime? Or ticketed someone for disorderly/obstruction just because they didn't give them ID even though the cop had no legal authority to demand it? I don't want to be "paying for it" either, but we are paying for it (in another way) when we let cops walk all over us.

Plus...why do we feel sorry for ignorant cops? Ignorance of the law is not a legal defense for us...why are you OK with it being a legal defense for them? If you are going to imprison someone you better damn well know what the fuck you're doing, right? These aren't some obscure 1859 laws that are on the books. These are first amendment audits. Why is it too much to expect cops to know the Constitution...which is literally the document they took an oath to protect.

I’m sure If they stir up enough trouble the federal government can step in a pin them with something.

If the feds are hell bent on fucking you over, then they're going to fuck you over. But in this case...it would be a huge reach. As it stands, they engage in activities that are protected by the first amendment of the constitution. It would take another amendment to edit the first amendment. I mean, sure you can still get fucked over even if you win a lawsuit. But I highly doubt the feds care about wasting resources to try to railroad people filming in post offices (which is the majority of what they do).

That’s why they go from state to state. Why not just go from city to town in their own state. They are always on the move.

Because once you do an audit in a certain area, they send memos out to the postmasters/directors/chiefs/etc in that same area that people are actively doing audits, and not to bother them because they're not breaking the law. So those people have already been made aware of what the law is. They need to move on to a new area that may or may not be informed.

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u/christhewelder75 Oct 14 '21

You should write your government representatives and ask them to properly train their officers on what the laws around filming actually are.

Don't get annoyed that someone is calling them out for their bullshit and holding them accountable, get mad at the police departments for shitty training, and police unions for protecting shitty cops.

If someone violated your rights to the point of taking away your freedom, you would want to seek redress.

It's not like this is a brand new thing, cops and civilians should understand at least the basics of law, IE you have no expectation of privacy in public, and you pretty much can't go anywhere without being on some camera. Don't want to be in someone's video on YouTube? Maybe don't approach them and make a scene and you likely won't be more than an extra in the background.

Most of the auditors I've seen Don't interact with the general public unless approached first (I'm sure there are some who do simply because there are assholes in every group)

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u/ItsJustMeHereOnMyOwn Oct 14 '21

I like BAT because he's one of the few who aren't rwnj's.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

I like BAT because he's one of the few who aren't rwnj's.

BAT a real one. He's got the full-on Bay Area accent and attitude to prove it.

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u/Ok_Effective6233 Oct 14 '21

Too often, I’m left feeling bad for the cops. But I’m going to check out these guys

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

Too often, I’m left feeling bad for the cops. But I’m going to check out these guys

If you watch some of the bad ones then I agree with you. But in OPs video...do you feel bad for that cop? I don't because I don't feel bad for cops that overstep their authority. We need people to hold cops accountable. I might get murdered if I walked up to a cop and chest-bumped him. Bare minimum, slammed on the ground then arrested and charged for assaulting a police officer. There is no way he should be able to do that to me as long as I'm doing something thats perfectly legal.

Check out a few videos from the channels I recommended and let me know what you think.

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u/Ok_Effective6233 Oct 14 '21

Right, there are so many others where the people filming are just being assholes. Many sovereign citizen videos do this.

The 2 in this video though seem good. And I’m going to look for more from them.

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u/lcuan82 Oct 14 '21

Why are they called audits?

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u/whatwhatdb Oct 14 '21

Auditing how the police respond in these situations.

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u/kayimbo Oct 14 '21

james freeman is my favorite, but i also like bay area transparency alot.
Amagansett Press is kind of a piece of shit IMO.

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u/awesomeroy Oct 14 '21

this needs to be higher up

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u/JohnjSmithsJnr Oct 14 '21

What I like most about him is first off he doesn't antagonize people/cops.

Were we watching a difference video?

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u/ishyman Oct 15 '21

Long Island Audi is also great

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u/ChicagoTRS1 Oct 14 '21

Bay Area Transparency can be sort of cringy and aggressive at times...but he definitely has balls. I think the best is still... HonorYourOath Jeff Gray. He is one of the originals and is the absolute best at letting officers make bad choices.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

Bay Area Transparency can be sort of cringy and aggressive at times...but he definitely has balls.

He plays dumb at first to get the cops to feel comfortable. Once the cops feel like they're engaging with a dumbass they start spouting illegal bullshit. Then BAT flips the script and lets them know he actually knows the law. I think thats perfectly OK. Cops shouldn't be out here spouting illegal bullshit to us to begin with, whether we are a dumbass or not. So if he catches them in a lie, then so be it. From what I've seen...he's only gotten aggressive with cops that have gotten aggressive with him. If you have seen something otherwise then I would like to see it.

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u/matlockatwar Oct 14 '21

What about Audit the Audit (I think that's the name) I like his breakdown on these types of videos. Don't know if they count as an Auditor though

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

Yup! I gassed him up here!

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u/Myte342 Oct 14 '21

Honor Ypur Oath is doing some great work right now. He doesn't even stand around with a camera like other Auditors do anymore. His latest thing is he just has a cardboard sign that says God bless the homeless vets and random people get all up in arms and called the police on him even though he's completely legally allowed to be where he is doing what he's doing. He's literally been arrested multiple times now holding a cardboard sign that says God bless the homeless.

That's how far we've sunk as a society.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

I watched some of his videos.

We're fucked as a society if we allow people who hold up signs to get fucked with like this guy.

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u/DancingKappa Oct 14 '21

Uhh did we watch the same video? It started by him antagonizing police. These folks are scum any one with half a brain doesn't go around fucking with police cars then play the victim.

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u/antwan_benjamin Oct 14 '21

Uhh did we watch the same video? It started by him antagonizing police. These folks are scum any one with half a brain doesn't go around fucking with police cars then play the victim.

Why do you think filming a police car constitutes "scum...fucking with police cars" ?